RIAA Sued For Using Illegal Investigatory Practices

A grandmother targeted by the RIAA for file-sharing is striking back at the controversial music industry association, arguing that it has knowingly engaged in "one or more overt acts of unlawful private investigation" to further its case.

Ms. Crain, the defendant in an eight-month-old P2P lawsuit, had her fill of hot air when she escaped Hurricane Rita. When Mother Nature was bested by yet another "RIAA vs. Grandma" lawsuit, she decided it was time to strike back.

Crain says that she'd never even heard of file sharing before she was named in the suit, so when the RIAA came looking for a $4,500 payout, Ms. Crain lawyeredup and filed a counterclaim against the RIAA. The whole ball of wax is Sony vs. Crain, filed in Texas.

It has now come to light that the case is taking a new turn, as Ms. Crain's attorney has filed a motion to amend their counterclaims to include new allegations against the RIAA and its investigative partners. According to court documents, Ms. Crain "has become aware upon information and belief that [the RIAA] have illegally employed unlicensed investigators in the State of Texas and used the information thereby obtained to file this and other similar actions across the country."

At the heart of the issue is a Texas law which says that investigations companies must be licensed in order to collect evidence that can be used in a court. According to court documents, Ms. Crain says that MediaSentry—the company carrying out the investigations for the RIAA—was aware of this requirement, both in Texas and in several other states, and ignored it. The counterclaims even suggest that the RIAA encouraged this arrangement.

"[The RIAA and MediaSentry] agreed between themselves and understood that unlicensed and unlawful investigations would take place in order to provide evidence for this lawsuit, as well as thousands of others as part of a mass litigation campaign," reads the motion.

Read more at Arstechnica.com.

Comments

[IlikeMetal]

Go Ms. Cain!!! Fuck the RIAA!!!

Oh, and Fuck Live Nation too (bastards)

If Ms. Crain wins, we might see it go to the next level with a class action suit. It's about time someone bitch slapped those bastards.

[ValoRhoads]

This could be catastrophic for the record industry. If she wins this, piracy is going to go through the roof. If that happens, none of the good artists will make any money, hence they'll quit and we'll be left with perpetual Nickelback!!! I ask you, is that what you really want? Chad Kroeger ruling the world???? I can think of no worse hell! Seriously, i hope this settles out of court otherwise none of us have a shot in hell at ever becoming rockstars or even enjoying good music ever again. Piracy is just wrong.

[tommyt]

ValoRhoads wrote:

This could be catastrophic for the record industry. If she wins this, piracy is going to go through the roof. If that happens, none of the good artists will make any money, hence they'll quit and we'll be left with perpetual Nickelback!!! I ask you, is that what you really want? Chad Kroeger ruling the world???? I can think of no worse hell! Seriously, i hope this settles out of court otherwise none of us have a shot in hell at ever becoming rockstars or even enjoying good music ever again. Piracy is just wrong.

do you know how badly artists get ripped off on cd's?

they get usually 8% ... the record company gets the other 92%

you wanna support a band? buy their merchandise cos thats the only way theyre gonna make any real money unless they have a publishing deal.

[jpburns88]

you cna't honestly say that piracy is hurting great artists. Year after year bands like The Stones, Velvet Revolver, and U2 sell out shows in every location they play. Tours like Gigantour, Ozzfest, The Warped Tour grow in popularity, and independent labels are actually having a bigger effect on the market than ever before. There aren't artists losign their homes because you downloaded the new Jay Z album over limewire. The industry has shot itself in the foot by selling Cd's for close to 20 dollars a pop, by not letting artists develop, mass marketing campaigns, and most heinous of all, going on a million dollar witch hunt against its consumers. The importance is no longer on an album that can sell, but on a single that can be sent to radio stations for royalty fees. Let's face it, if an artist is good enough, and we're that supportive, we go out and buy the album, but if we only like one song, why the hell should we be arsed into paying $15-$20 for all the other crap that we won't like?

[AnoKid09]

ValoRhoads wrote:

This could be catastrophic for the record industry. If she wins this, piracy is going to go through the roof. If that happens, none of the good artists will make any money, hence they'll quit and we'll be left with perpetual Nickelback!!! I ask you, is that what you really want? Chad Kroeger ruling the world???? I can think of no worse hell! Seriously, i hope this settles out of court otherwise none of us have a shot in hell at ever becoming rockstars or even enjoying good music ever again. Piracy is just wrong.

i dont want him ruling the world...but something close to it...XD

[Cheap Poison]

good day for music!

[Paradise Lost]

RIAA being sued?

Taste of their own medicine, finally

[NoneMoreBlack]

OH NOES!!. But yeah. Valo, this would be bad for RIAA members, but there are plenty of Labels not part of RIAA For Example, Fat Wreck Chords is not a member of the RIAA. And some artists make more money on indie labels than big labels.

[duncang]

Sounds good to me.

[Pukka-VCU]

it's about time they got called out for this

[electric7]

IlikeMetal wrote:

Go Ms. Cain!!! Fuck the RIAA!!!

Oh, and Fuck Live Nation too (bastards)

deff.

[imnotcommunist]

Where is Lars Ulrich when you need him!?!

[Leper Affinity]

man, screw fame and fortune and being rock stars.

I have two bands, and my band which I am leading is doing only double-albums which I will be recording in a personal studio I am in the process of making. I will be selling them for $8 ( just $8 ) and if we don't sell because of piracy, or because even that is too much, guess what I will do? I will put all of our music up online for download for free, virus free, and as high of quality as possible, unlimited downloads, and just do more shows.

I would like the albums to just cover gas + slowly pay me back for my studio, but I am in this for the music, and I would be honored if people wanted to risk getting viruses or getting in trouble so they could enjoy my music. Maybe if labels didn't take 85% to 95% of all musicians profits and didn't sell 45 minutes of music for $15 to $25 or have it set up to charge $45 to $100 to see 2 or 3 bigger bands lip-sync to over-produced music then people wouldn't download as much, no where near as much.

I am about to re-download my Opeth's Damnation album today because my copy is missing( I bought it off of Itunes ) and it won't let me re-burn it anymore off of either computer.

Maybe if the music industry stopped screwing over musicians and fans, and if music stopped being an industry, it would be better. Sure being a millionaire musician or a billionaire music mogul may be cool, but I would prefer a world where you get a dedicate crowd state-wide, or even city-wide, and not having to literally have a 90% chance of being broke and owing tens of thousands of dollars to a record label because they told you they thought you could be a big star.

And if I want millions of people to hear my music, I have Myspace, Youtube, Soundclick, and can get my own website.

I hope this works out. I am tired of the music industry in general. Music = Art. You may have to buy a painting like you have to buy a CD with cover-art and packaging, but you shouldn't have to pay to see a picture, just like you shouldn't have to pay to hear a song. Might as well begin charging people that print pictures off of google.

And boy-oh-boy is this a big rant.

[Leper Affinity]

and it has a lot of typos, my rant.

[Notoriousdoc]

Hear here, Leper!

[crfowler_09]

I agree Leper.
Kick ass username too.

[j-e-f-f-e-r-s]

This could be catastrophic for the record industry. If she wins this, piracy is going to go through the roof. If that happens, none of the good artists will make any money, hence they'll quit and we'll be left with perpetual Nickelback!!! I ask you, is that what you really want? Chad Kroeger ruling the world???? I can think of no worse hell! Seriously, i hope this settles out of court otherwise none of us have a shot in hell at ever becoming rockstars or even enjoying good music ever again. Piracy is just wrong.

It's the Chad Kroegers of the world who are in it for the money. Real artists don't give a shit about money.

Unless you're Metallica.

[viaquez]

it's a good rant though...

if only more people thought like you.....the world would be a better place

[MetallicaNRoses]

i completely agree with the guy above me. there is no reason to get all upset because your company is making $10.5 mil a year instead of 11 mil.

music is an art form, i can tell you right now, if i was a musician making more money than i could need, i'd go on at least one entire tour entirely for free. no bullshit, just a bunch of people who love my music and want to see me play

[Masonpwiley]

Down with the RIAA! You know how many artists think the that way too? They rip the artists of so bad that what they make from CD's in next to nothing. And I bet when the RIAA wins a lawsuit they keep all the money.

Weird Al has "Don't Download this Song" (Well its Weird Al, you think he seriously means it? It's free for download on some legal sites.)

And watch the video for Korn's "Ya'll want a single" on youtube.

[geetarguy92]

haha! fantastic everyone should sue these bastards

[AndyVanHalen]

Go to any store that sells records and look at the price.

15 bucks for a CD?? And they're calling us pirates??

[ZeRoGuY]

Yeah! One of the coolest grandma's i know!

I'm behind her 100% **** those *******s!!

[TMKA]

viaquez wrote:

it's a good rant though...

if only more people thought like you.....the world would be a better place

+2
and i think just about everyone in the world does agree with him (i counted only 1 pro RIAA posts so far)

anyone who thinks that illegal downloading hurts the artist is either a fool or blissfully naieve

[TMKA]

*thinks like him

[TylerIncrysis]

Everyone thinks that because the artists only pocket 50cents or so from a cd that costs $30 that piracy is ok. But alot of the money they dont get goes to paying off advertising and studio time, debts which are in their name. Its like having someone pay off a bit of your mortgage... they still gave you money. Until you kids realize exactly what is involved in the production and marketing of an album, dont comment. And to the guy who said if he was famous he'd put on a free tour... do you have any idea how much it costs to put on a free tour? You'd have to get so much advertising its ridiculous.
That said, if you really want to support your band, download the album and send them a cheque for $25.

[unreal_nb]

Fuck the RIAA!!!!!

[Scourge441]

I just hope she doesn't settle out of court.

[Draken]

Grannypowah!

[Slash_HuDsOn]

there should just be a settlement of the head of the RIAA should be forced to spend 6 hours nestled between the grannies tits. Think they'll sue anyone after that?

[ad4mZX]

The reason shit like "Fergalicious" gets #1 is because over half of the people with intelligence resort to illegally downloading actual music. Personally, I don't illegally download, I have a Zune subscription. But whenever I suggest a band to somebody (and this has happened dozens of times) they say, "Are they on Limewire?"

CDs don't cost $33, that whole thing was a NIN media stunt for more attention. Most I've ever seen a CD go for is $21, and that was an indie band (DevilDriver, if you must know) who was probably a huge victim to illegal downloading. Around here, most albums cost $10-$15, and even when they come with a DVD they usually only cost $15.

Anybody who's against the RIAA in most cases are just like the 12 year old 'rebels' and rappers who say "Fuck the police." Just because the police don't benefit them makes them evil of course.

The RIAA is doing their job, and every once in a while a case like this comes up where they screwed up, same thing goes for the police, the FBI, the CIA, and everything else.

[str84ever]

ad4mZX wrote:

The reason shit like "Fergalicious" gets #1 is because over half of the people with intelligence resort to illegally downloading actual music. Personally, I don't illegally download, I have a Zune subscription. But whenever I suggest a band to somebody (and this has happened dozens of times) they say, "Are they on Limewire?"

CDs don't cost $33, that whole thing was a NIN media stunt for more attention. Most I've ever seen a CD go for is $21, and that was an indie band (DevilDriver, if you must know) who was probably a huge victim to illegal downloading. Around here, most albums cost $10-$15, and even when they come with a DVD they usually only cost $15.

Anybody who's against the RIAA in most cases are just like the 12 year old 'rebels' and rappers who say "Fuck the police." Just because the police don't benefit them makes them evil of course.

The RIAA is doing their job, and every once in a while a case like this comes up where they screwed up, same thing goes for the police, the FBI, the CIA, and everything else.

Well when it comes to my cds i don't know where you are buying yours but cds for me cost like £15 - 20 which would be american $30 - 40 so i don't know where your getting that.

Also the fact that music shops dont even stock the cds that i want. F*cking Virgin, HMV and then they buy out all the small businesses who have the cds i want.

[ad4mZX]

Well, I live in the US, and I usually go to FYE.
I've been to an HMV in Canada and I remember getting a special edition album that came with a DVD for like $12.
Maybe it costs more to manufacture/ship to places overseas? (I wouldn't see that causing a $20 difference, but that could be part of it.)

The RIAA only controls things in America, anyways.

[llama_guitarist]

go grannie! woo! and i support bands by going to concerts and buying their merch. it's probably the best way to do so, although i do buy cd's too, i mostly just download cd's to preview them and see if it's worth it. But i'm also into a lot of bands that i never find at the record store (or on iTunes) so i have no choice but to download them. and besides, my parents don't like me buying stuff of the internet. at all.

[powerstroke]

I hope the ****ing RIAA burns in hell.

[Nerdo-sez-bo]

They're all impotent jerks, facist twirps.

[samerika]

such twats you can go ms....

[thycrusader]

imnotcommunist wrote:

Where is Lars Ulrich when you need him!?!

LMAO!!! so true. Lars!!! we need you! lmao!

[Muddy_Banks]

Instead of church burnings we should burn their corporate buildings!

[sowhat360]

ValoRhoads wrote:

This could be catastrophic for the record industry. If she wins this, piracy is going to go through the roof. If that happens, none of the good artists will make any money, hence they'll quit and we'll be left with perpetual Nickelback!!! I ask you, is that what you really want? Chad Kroeger ruling the world???? I can think of no worse hell! Seriously, i hope this settles out of court otherwise none of us have a shot in hell at ever becoming rockstars or even enjoying good music ever again. Piracy is just wrong.

and then chad kroeger will be booed off stage again and again until someone figures out how to market music properly in this tech age and get good bands back into music. ozzy may be onto something with record/concert ticket purchase together.

[scarfacesuit]

this made my day

[GodLess666]

hey record companys need money to feed their children and pay for there bmws and 4 story homes. dont any of you have a heart?? if i was in a band i care about my money thats how they make a living.. im kidding haha if cds were 5 bucks id start buying them again! viva limewire

[ZedgeZ]

they arent above the law, the bastards shall die, go lady

[binjajer]

Leper Affinity wrote:

man, screw fame and fortune and being rock stars.

I have two bands, and my band which I am leading is doing only double-albums which I will be recording in a personal studio I am in the process of making. I will be selling them for $8 ( just $8 ) and if we don't sell because of piracy, or because even that is too much, guess what I will do? I will put all of our music up online for download for free, virus free, and as high of quality as possible, unlimited downloads, and just do more shows.

I would like the albums to just cover gas + slowly pay me back for my studio, but I am in this for the music, and I would be honored if people wanted to risk getting viruses or getting in trouble so they could enjoy my music. Maybe if labels didn't take 85% to 95% of all musicians profits and didn't sell 45 minutes of music for $15 to $25 or have it set up to charge $45 to $100 to see 2 or 3 bigger bands lip-sync to over-produced music then people wouldn't download as much, no where near as much.

I am about to re-download my Opeth's Damnation album today because my copy is missing( I bought it off of Itunes ) and it won't let me re-burn it anymore off of either computer.

Maybe if the music industry stopped screwing over musicians and fans, and if music stopped being an industry, it would be better. Sure being a millionaire musician or a billionaire music mogul may be cool, but I would prefer a world where you get a dedicate crowd state-wide, or even city-wide, and not having to literally have a 90% chance of being broke and owing tens of thousands of dollars to a record label because they told you they thought you could be a big star.

And if I want millions of people to hear my music, I have Myspace, Youtube, Soundclick, and can get my own website.

I hope this works out. I am tired of the music industry in general. Music = Art. You may have to buy a painting like you have to buy a CD with cover-art and packaging, but you shouldn't have to pay to see a picture, just like you shouldn't have to pay to hear a song. Might as well begin charging people that print pictures off of google.

And boy-oh-boy is this a big rant.

You, sir, bring back the spirit of music to our world.

Keep it up.

[Son_of_Kyuss]

ad4mZX :
The reason shit like "Fergalicious" gets #1 is because over half of the people with intelligence resort to illegally downloading actual music. Personally, I don't illegally download, I have a Zune subscription. But whenever I suggest a band to somebody (and this has happened dozens of times) they say, "Are they on Limewire?"

CDs don't cost $33, that whole thing was a NIN media stunt for more attention. Most I've ever seen a CD go for is $21, and that was an indie band (DevilDriver, if you must know) who was probably a huge victim to illegal downloading. Around here, most albums cost $10-$15, and even when they come with a DVD they usually only cost $15.

Fuck off man. Trent Reznor is actually taking a stance against the tyranny of his record label. Interscope is overpricing all his stuff intentionally because NIN are an "established act" and have "real fans that will pay anything to get their product." Meanwhile they're ****ing over people who are dedicated followers of an artist, that is wrong. Trent is actually stepping up by only releasing one more major label album (because of his contract agreement) and then he's selling his own cd's at his shows and making all his songs available through download on his website. Which makes sense because an artist wouldn't have to go through a middle man and just release their own art under their own conditions themselves.

[Son_of_Kyuss]

The example with the CD from austrailia was because he took the price in Austrailia and translated into American dollars, which actually does come out to $33 you idiot. Maybe you should actually analyze/think about what you're reading before you just write someone off.

[ad4mZX]

All of the NIN albums here are priced at a normal price, except for the imported maxi-single they had which was like $10 for 3 songs.

Trent went to Australia, where the RIAA has no influence. Chances are the album is either imported or made by a smaller manufacturing company in Australia, and also chances are that there's some Australian music rights agency backing it there too, all valid reasons for jacking up the price.

[TMKA]

TylerIncrysis wrote:

Everyone thinks that because the artists only pocket 50cents or so from a cd that costs $30 that piracy is ok. But alot of the money they dont get goes to paying off advertising and studio time, debts which are in their name. Its like having someone pay off a bit of your mortgage... they still gave you money. Until you kids realize exactly what is involved in the production and marketing of an album, dont comment. And to the guy who said if he was famous he'd put on a free tour... do you have any idea how much it costs to put on a free tour? You'd have to get so much advertising its ridiculous.
That said, if you really want to support your band, download the album and send them a cheque for $25.

dude, you must be on a pretty sh*t label (if you're on one at all)

its the wonder of the 21st century that most artists can record and promote albums digitally. unlike before the mp3 revolution, it doesnt cost a fortune to buy decent recording equipment and start your own studio

and if you really want to support your favorite artist, you'd be best off going to see them live and buying a few tshirts (or some other form of concert merch). that's where most of their money comes from (unless you're a very popular band signed to a major label), not from the 50 cents per album that most average bands get

and, to conclude my anti-RIAA rant,
the real reason that most major labels are opposed to internet distribution and file sharing is that it takes them out of the equation. While a major label does have more resources in the "real world" than a individual artist/band, the internet levels this playing field. It is possible for a relatively small band to find a enormous fan base without the help of major label promotion through internet distribution. file sharing is the modern equivalent of bootleg trading (which, oddly enough, is another activity that certain labels actively work against)
FUCK THE RIAA!!!

[MetalorDIE]

jpburns88 wrote:

you cna't honestly say that piracy is hurting great artists. Year after year bands like The Stones, Velvet Revolver, and U2 sell out shows in every location they play. Tours like Gigantour, Ozzfest, The Warped Tour grow in popularity, and independent labels are actually having a bigger effect on the market than ever before. There aren't artists losign their homes because you downloaded the new Jay Z album over limewire. The industry has shot itself in the foot by selling Cd's for close to 20 dollars a pop, by not letting artists develop, mass marketing campaigns, and most heinous of all, going on a million dollar witch hunt against its consumers. The importance is no longer on an album that can sell, but on a single that can be sent to radio stations for royalty fees. Let's face it, if an artist is good enough, and we're that supportive, we go out and buy the album, but if we only like one song, why the hell should we be arsed into paying $15-$20 for all the other crap that we won't like?

amen to that man! u said it perfect

[BlairMcBob]

Couldnt happen to a bigger group of *******s

[StonesFan15]

Good. Fuck the RIAA, ****ing pricks.

Checks

[dimebagsmygod]

wtf I dont get this!

[KileManA7X]

Fuck the recording industry! Bands make like 10 cents every cd they sell. Just go to their shows if you wanna support them. That's why tickets are so expensive now. Remember like in the early 90's when tickets to a Cinderella concert were like 15 bucks?? Good times.

[tomisamonkeyman]

Mrs. Crain is gonna bitch slap the RIAA mother ****ers

[sadSTATUE]

hehhehheh sweet

[mcyeah]

blah blah blah, hurting musicians.....well what ever happened to making cd's full of good music, hit after hit. i always download music, if there is a bunch of good songs then i'll buy the album but why the hell should i spend 20 on a cd with 1 good song just because the band had to quickly make a cd for their contract. seriously look back to the sixties and seventies when bands put out multiple albums a year.

most of the supposed rock stars now a days are sh#t, while the good bands suffer to be heard.

and downloading i have found is a great way to get an unheard of band out to the public. i have definately made underground bands money they never would have seen if it werent for the internet.

no record company is gonna promote you if your not already huge...and by today's standards you have to have the exact sound as every other crap emo band to make it.
before you could download music, people would just rent or borrow an album and tape it, but the bigwigs didn't have access to those kinds of numbers...but of course now that it is online they can see.

what was the last BAND to take over the world, nirvana
after that there was the slide of boy and girl bands who didn't write songs and the music industry has not yet recovered because they wont promote any new sound.

[bassmanjoe08]

I really think most artists dont really care about file sharing where they make more money through concerts. Seeing as the labels get most of the profit from album sales, the RIAA is basically the artists horny little brother that keeps poking their friends with his hard on. Sure its embarassing but what are you gonna do? Its your brother. Its a bizarre analogy, but really its the truth.

[kosmic]

Leper Affinity wrote:

man, screw fame and fortune and being rock stars.

I have two bands, and my band which I am leading is doing only double-albums which I will be recording in a personal studio I am in the process of making. I will be selling them for $8 ( just $8 ) and if we don't sell because of piracy, or because even that is too much, guess what I will do? I will put all of our music up online for download for free, virus free, and as high of quality as possible, unlimited downloads, and just do more shows.

I would like the albums to just cover gas + slowly pay me back for my studio, but I am in this for the music, and I would be honored if people wanted to risk getting viruses or getting in trouble so they could enjoy my music. Maybe if labels didn't take 85% to 95% of all musicians profits and didn't sell 45 minutes of music for $15 to $25 or have it set up to charge $45 to $100 to see 2 or 3 bigger bands lip-sync to over-produced music then people wouldn't download as much, no where near as much.

I am about to re-download my Opeth's Damnation album today because my copy is missing( I bought it off of Itunes ) and it won't let me re-burn it anymore off of either computer.

Maybe if the music industry stopped screwing over musicians and fans, and if music stopped being an industry, it would be better. Sure being a millionaire musician or a billionaire music mogul may be cool, but I would prefer a world where you get a dedicate crowd state-wide, or even city-wide, and not having to literally have a 90% chance of being broke and owing tens of thousands of dollars to a record label because they told you they thought you could be a big star.

And if I want millions of people to hear my music, I have Myspace, Youtube, Soundclick, and can get my own website.

I hope this works out. I am tired of the music industry in general. Music = Art. You may have to buy a painting like you have to buy a CD with cover-art and packaging, but you shouldn't have to pay to see a picture, just like you shouldn't have to pay to hear a song. Might as well begin charging people that print pictures off of google.

And boy-oh-boy is this a big rant.

Lets be friends.
But on another note, there has to balance with everything. Black/White, Peace/War, ect... Always 50/50. So download all the music you want, because buying albums is not supporting your favorite band like most people think. The amount they get out of album sales is, in my opinion, propostrous. So for all that downloading you do, buy some merchandise from your favorite band or see them in concert. Balance it out. Every concert I go to, I always take an extra 20-30$ bucks with for merchandise. But the high cost of band T-shirts is another thing. Let's not get into that. Hahah.

[kosmic]

Leper Affinity wrote:

man, screw fame and fortune and being rock stars.

I have two bands, and my band which I am leading is doing only double-albums which I will be recording in a personal studio I am in the process of making. I will be selling them for $8 ( just $8 ) and if we don't sell because of piracy, or because even that is too much, guess what I will do? I will put all of our music up online for download for free, virus free, and as high of quality as possible, unlimited downloads, and just do more shows.

I would like the albums to just cover gas + slowly pay me back for my studio, but I am in this for the music, and I would be honored if people wanted to risk getting viruses or getting in trouble so they could enjoy my music. Maybe if labels didn't take 85% to 95% of all musicians profits and didn't sell 45 minutes of music for $15 to $25 or have it set up to charge $45 to $100 to see 2 or 3 bigger bands lip-sync to over-produced music then people wouldn't download as much, no where near as much.

I am about to re-download my Opeth's Damnation album today because my copy is missing( I bought it off of Itunes ) and it won't let me re-burn it anymore off of either computer.

Maybe if the music industry stopped screwing over musicians and fans, and if music stopped being an industry, it would be better. Sure being a millionaire musician or a billionaire music mogul may be cool, but I would prefer a world where you get a dedicate crowd state-wide, or even city-wide, and not having to literally have a 90% chance of being broke and owing tens of thousands of dollars to a record label because they told you they thought you could be a big star.

And if I want millions of people to hear my music, I have Myspace, Youtube, Soundclick, and can get my own website.

I hope this works out. I am tired of the music industry in general. Music = Art. You may have to buy a painting like you have to buy a CD with cover-art and packaging, but you shouldn't have to pay to see a picture, just like you shouldn't have to pay to hear a song. Might as well begin charging people that print pictures off of google.

And boy-oh-boy is this a big rant.

Lets be friends.
But on another note, there has to balance with everything. Black/White, Peace/War, ect... Always 50/50. So download all the music you want, because buying albums is not supporting your favorite band like most people think. The amount they get out of album sales is, in my opinion, propostrous. So for all that downloading you do, buy some merchandise from your favorite band or see them in concert. Balance it out. Every concert I go to, I always take an extra 20-30$ bucks with me for merchandise. But the high cost of band T-shirts is another thing. Let's not get into that. Hahah.

[kosmic]

Sh[i][/i]it. Double post. Triple with this one. My sincerist apologies.

[g8erfan1]

I agree with tommyt. Only, I think it's even less than that, something like 5%. It's about time someone stood up against those ****ing pricks. I hope she sues them for all she can get and the RIAA goes bankrupt. Then maybe we'll see artists develop more and make better music and not mass produced crap

[bassmanjoe08]

ad4mZX wrote:

I've been to an HMV in Canada and I remember getting a special edition album that came with a DVD for like $12.

Really? Where was this exactly?

[thelonelywaffle]

While the RIAA tries to stop illegal file sharing and downloading, alot of people are just borrowing the CDs from their friends. How do they plan on stopping that? If a band quits because they aren't getting enough money then they shouldn't even be making music in the first place. As stated before, Music = Art. If bands are really in it for the music and touring, then they're the ones who are going to keep at it.

[g8erfan1]

I agree with tommyt. Only, I think it's even less than that, something like 5%. It's about time someone stood up against those ****ing pricks. I hope she sues them for all she can get and the RIAA goes bankrupt. Then maybe we'll see artists develop more and make better music and not mass produced crap

[EZLN libertad]

good for her

however, id like to point out, its taking place in texas


thus, its very likely she wont win

[Rocker3829]

I can bet money that this case will end up in the supreme court, and it is about time the RIAA gets what is comin to it, you can't push around the monopoly they have anymore thank god.

[raidernixon]

hopefully the record industry collapses after this. I am gonna puke if i hear another nickleback or paparoach song in the next 10 minutes

[anticlementous]

Wasn't there another case just like this recently with a younger woman suing RIAA for similar reasons? Whatever happened with that case?

[E V H 5150]

I think this whole thing is a load of B-S. She's not gonna win. The RIAA is not going to let her win. It's a grandmother against a bunch of rich men. It's not that I don't want her to win. I really want to see them backoff and let music be music, and not a paycheck. But I don't think it's realistic.

I rarely buy CD's myself. And I've never illegaly downloaded an album. I have made archival copies. And if somebody wants to sue me for protecting my investments, go ahead. If I buy a CD, the music there is mine. I can burn it (for archival purposes) all I want, I can put it on as many MP3 devices as I want, and I can put it on my computer. And if I want, I can download PowerTabs to learn how to play the damn songs.

The MPAA or whatever is also a load of BS. They decided that tabs of copywritten material is unlawful. But what about websites that feature lyrics of copywritten material? And if somebody wrote a great song, wouldn't they want people to know how to play it? If some small band did a cover of an Ozzy song, that might make somebody look into Ozzy a little more. It's a way to use fans and musicians as advertising.

I think a lot of American copyright laws are screwed up, regarding music. They just need to backoff. Then again, the majority of the media is screwed up in America. Reality TV sucks. It's stupid. And yes, MTV, I'm pointing my (middle) finger at you. Your crappy "metal" on headbangers ball. Your emo bands running around like they actually have done something.

It' been a while since America had a cultural revolution. I think it's time we bring down those bastards, and give them true music. And as a sign of protest, don't buy the CDs. Your're not ripping the artist off, as much as you are the labels. Use the money you'd normally use to buy a CD, save up and see them in concert.

[hepzibahbaptist]

jpburns88 wrote:

you cna't honestly say that piracy is hurting great artists. Year after year bands like The Stones, Velvet Revolver, and U2 sell out shows in every location they play. Tours like Gigantour, Ozzfest, The Warped Tour grow in popularity, and independent labels are actually having a bigger effect on the market than ever before. There aren't artists losign their homes because you downloaded the new Jay Z album over limewire. The industry has shot itself in the foot by selling Cd's for close to 20 dollars a pop, by not letting artists develop, mass marketing campaigns, and most heinous of all, going on a million dollar witch hunt against its consumers. The importance is no longer on an album that can sell, but on a single that can be sent to radio stations for royalty fees. Let's face it, if an artist is good enough, and we're that supportive, we go out and buy the album, but if we only like one song, why the hell should we be arsed into paying $15-$20 for all the other crap that we won't like?

Amen man. You make a band cause you love music and you want to play shows. Not so you can have platinum albums all over your house.

[Nybb]

But on another note, there has to balance with everything. Black/White, Peace/War, ect... Always 50/50. So download all the music you want, because buying albums is not supporting your favorite band like most people think. The amount they get out of album sales is, in my opinion, propostrous. So for all that downloading you do, buy some merchandise from your favorite band or see them in concert. Balance it out. Every concert I go to, I always take an extra 20-30$ bucks with me for merchandise. But the high cost of band T-shirts is another thing. Let's not get into that. Hahah.

Just like UG has to balance out the Bands that should Break Up article that everyone hated with this one. lol

Really though, I can't add anything to this discussion that hasn't already been said better than I could say it. \m/ Rock on Ms. Crain.

[MrDinkleberry]

Give em hell, Ms. Crain.

[A_New_Level]

IlikeMetal wrote:Oh, and Fuck Live Nation too (bastards)

Someones mad that they didn't get Ozzfest tickets.

[LewisMasonx]

Ms Cain wins at life

[LewisMasonx]

*Crain, even. Ms Crain wins at life

[JanB]

Cain commited the first murder in history... lets hope Crain can bash in RIAA's cranium (bad pun)

now if the courts would do something about MPAAs flagrant disregard for the law the world will be a much better place

Checked.

[SpaceDementia99]

A problem I've had is: burning a CD (that's mine) to my PC, but the type of file that the songs are, aren't compatible with some mp3's. So if we buy the CD and it doesn't work with an mp3, and maybe we can't afford to use iTunes to get every song we want, what's left to do? illegally download? but then the RIAA will come after us for that! Fuck the RIAA!

[SpaceDementia99]

mp3 players*

[MrGuitar123]

HAHAHAHAHAHA FUCK THE RIAA

[Thekillerbob]

Leper Affinity wrote:

man, screw fame and fortune and being rock stars.

I have two bands, and my band which I am leading is doing only double-albums which I will be recording in a personal studio I am in the process of making. I will be selling them for $8 ( just $8 ) and if we don't sell because of piracy, or because even that is too much, guess what I will do? I will put all of our music up online for download for free, virus free, and as high of quality as possible, unlimited downloads, and just do more shows.

I would like the albums to just cover gas + slowly pay me back for my studio, but I am in this for the music, and I would be honored if people wanted to risk getting viruses or getting in trouble so they could enjoy my music. Maybe if labels didn't take 85% to 95% of all musicians profits and didn't sell 45 minutes of music for $15 to $25 or have it set up to charge $45 to $100 to see 2 or 3 bigger bands lip-sync to over-produced music then people wouldn't download as much, no where near as much.

I am about to re-download my Opeth's Damnation album today because my copy is missing( I bought it off of Itunes ) and it won't let me re-burn it anymore off of either computer.

Maybe if the music industry stopped screwing over musicians and fans, and if music stopped being an industry, it would be better. Sure being a millionaire musician or a billionaire music mogul may be cool, but I would prefer a world where you get a dedicate crowd state-wide, or even city-wide, and not having to literally have a 90% chance of being broke and owing tens of thousands of dollars to a record label because they told you they thought you could be a big star.

And if I want millions of people to hear my music, I have Myspace, Youtube, Soundclick, and can get my own website.

I hope this works out. I am tired of the music industry in general. Music = Art. You may have to buy a painting like you have to buy a CD with cover-art and packaging, but you shouldn't have to pay to see a picture, just like you shouldn't have to pay to hear a song. Might as well begin charging people that print pictures off of google.

And boy-oh-boy is this a big rant.

Well ****in said.

[Leper Affinity]

Glad to see people agree with me. I always thought people became musicians to play music and get their music out there, not to make millions of dollars or to get toyed around by record labels, and now we have the technology to spread our word to a large percentage of the entire world with minimal costs in advertising and without having to sign a binding contract.

Glad other people have realized that and are in music for music, not for money.

[GuitarSymphony]

I write music I like.
I'd also be in it for the millions.
Why? Because there are still 3rd world countries and hobos on the street. Charity.
Now that's rock & roll. Sticking it to the man who oppresses us all.

[haz_uk]

SpaceDementia99 wrote:

A problem I've had is: burning a CD (that's mine) to my PC, but the type of file that the songs are, aren't compatible with some mp3's. So if we buy the CD and it doesn't work with an mp3, and maybe we can't afford to use iTunes to get every song we want, what's left to do? illegally download? but then the RIAA will come after us for that! Fuck the RIAA!

this makes about as much sense as a white stallion humping the sh*t out of a giant boulder.

[merfsullivan]

Artists make it seem like they're getting it so bad when that's not really the case. Yes, they get the shaft on CD sales, but, they're getting all the expenses fronted, so the Record label needs to recoup their losses. Obviously they're charging for interest and then gouging just to get their pockets thicker. But I was watching the Lisa Lopes documentary and she was complaining about only getting about 8 cents per cd sold, which isn't a lot considering we pay around 20 for them, so when she sold I think it was 10 million albums, she only ended up with $300,000, so she acted like she was broke. But what the artists don't let you know is they make a much higher percentage when touring and through merchandise, They also tour for long stretches of time. So none of them (save the independents) are doing anywhere near as bad as they make it sound, but they are being screwed on the cd selling deal.

[Sloopy]

The RIAA just plain sucks. I do agree though, artists get the shaft on CD sales, ask bands that were around before the whole P2P sharing thing existed, touring is where the money is. Always has been, always will.

[huevos]

merfsullivanwrote:

Artists make it seem like they're getting it so bad when that's not really the case. Yes, they get the shaft on CD sales, but, they're getting all the expenses fronted, so the Record label needs to recoup their losses. Obviously they're charging for interest and then gouging just to get their pockets thicker. But I was watching the Lisa Lopes documentary and she was complaining about only getting about 8 cents per cd sold, which isn't a lot considering we pay around 20 for them, so when she sold I think it was 10 million albums, she only ended up with $300,000, so she acted like she was broke. But what the artists don't let you know is they make a much higher percentage when touring and through merchandise, They also tour for long stretches of time. So none of them (save the independents) are doing anywhere near as bad as they make it sound, but they are being screwed on the cd selling deal.

what about major labels intruding on creative rights?
the labels aren't making the music last time i checked. yeah they might be producing and advertising and what-not, but this corporate approach is killing music as an artform.
even with the marketing costs (marketing should never have been intertwined with music!! who gives a damn about accessibility), that should only cover about 10%-20% of total cost.
of course the artists shouldn't even do it for the money. at all. even one sale should qualify you as a sell-out. they might need to cover costs, but excessive money and fame are useless to the true artist.
i would say something about supporting your favorite bands, but i'd only get more redundant.
hopefully this lady will win. of course, if her case is solid and she has an expectional lawyer, the RIAA is gunna settle outta court in 2 seconds.

[ready2breakdown]

I never really thought about that, that's a REALLY good point. She damn sure better win and NOT settle out of court. It IS illegal and they need to get hit with something for it.

[pringa]

im with Leper

[Bag0Dimes]

ValoRhoads wrote:

This could be catastrophic for the record industry. If she wins this, piracy is going to go through the roof. If that happens, none of the good artists will make any money, hence they'll quit and we'll be left with perpetual Nickelback!!! I ask you, is that what you really want? Chad Kroeger ruling the world???? I can think of no worse hell! Seriously, i hope this settles out of court otherwise none of us have a shot in hell at ever becoming rockstars or even enjoying good music ever again. Piracy is just wrong.

Whats wrong with being a pirate? You get a big boat and you get to rape and pillage and steal from record labels....

Tbh if someone downloads, sure their stealing about say about a quid per album unless ofcourse they are a really big band and have a good deal. They might happen to like that band and shell out about 20-40( price of a rush or meatloaf ticket these days wtf!) quid to see the band, then maybe buy a t-shirt, therefor giving the band more than they will get for an album. On the other hand, you dont go multi-platinum with p2p:P

[dann_blood]

RIAA are c*nts. They fuck the artists over royally. Artists are more concerned about people hearing their music. Of course the RIAA has to cover recording costs, staff, advertising, but when they dont give a shit about the artist, dont advertise for them and leave the band to do it themselves, what do they expect?
I gladly go out and buy albums I want. I paid $38 for the special edition of Systematic Chaos. The problem is artists that arent known largely to the public are only going to be getting record sales from huge fans, everyone else is going to download it.

[K!!LsWiTcH]

Leper Affinity wrote:

Glad to see people agree with me. I always thought people became musicians to play music and get their music out there, not to make millions of dollars or to get toyed around by record labels, and now we have the technology to spread our word to a large percentage of the entire world with minimal costs in advertising and without having to sign a binding contract.

Glad other people have realized that and are in music for music, not for money.

i agree with you 100% me and my abdn played our first show last week and it was the greatest rush ever.id rather do that without making money for the rest of my life than get ****ed over by record labels forever. Music isnt for money or the labels, its for the love of the music and the ecreativity. Fuck RIAA!

[Dayn]

Old women are the real men.

And apparently people don't realise that if a band's label isn't making money from them, they're not going to support the band. Unless they're frigging rich in the first place, bye bye tours, bye bye merchandise, and bye bye music.

[rockgodgeorge]

I dont really care.

music is music.

Nobody's supposed to tell me how the **** I'm gonna listen to it.

[MESAexplorer]

Mrs. Crain for president!

[winterXsolstice]

Dayn wrote:

Old women are the real men.

And apparently people don't realise that if a band's label isn't making money from them, they're not going to support the band. Unless they're frigging rich in the first place, bye bye tours, bye bye merchandise, and bye bye music.

all of that is frounted by the band in most cases.

[warlockking]

Kick ass grandma Crain!!!!!

[tasty licks]

i think we just need to see the death of all major record labels and CDs, advertising, and distribution as we know it all together. Eventually, I think we will make some real steps forward and all music will be available in an itunes kind of format, only in download form, and all bands will have equal exposure to the masses. IT SHOULD BE ABOUT THE MUSIC. If all music gets equal opportunity and exposure (and this is possible only though the internet) then it will finally really be about the music. It's hard enough to put together a awesome lineup, good equipment, and record a great CD. Then you have to worry about the other 99% of the equation and turn into a ****ing salesman trying to get some cocksuckers from a giant record company to buy into what you're "selling". Fuck that whole process. Down with RIAA and all this anti-piracy bullshit. Piracy has been shown in independent studies to have marginal effect at best on album sales. Its these shitty agencies that are really holding up progress and the bigger picture.

[MaAal_MaAan]

go granny!

[SinisterX]

It's all about money these days, see money really is the root of all evil.

[strong_wizard]

http://www.eff.org/share/petition/ Was looking at that. I'm not a US citizen, but they have at least 96,000 signatures (not 100,000 just yet as they say they want before taking it to congress). Maybe some gals/guys will be interested in signing?

[Danis1]

jesus christ the RIAA is fucked up, it should never be about the money, it should be about the music. i would only be glad if fans downloaded my music, and got others to aswell, so more people could possible enjoy what i create. gee the money is such a small bonus. its not like its really realistic to live of the money you earn being a muso anyway, so screw it outright. i dunno if these bastards are responsible for TAB destroying, but if they are, it just shows how god damn low people have become.

[Quikslayer666]

jesus christ the RIAA is ****ed up, it should never be about the money, it should be about the music. i would only be glad if fans downloaded my music, and got others to aswell, so more people could possible enjoy what i create. gee the money is such a small bonus. its not like its really realistic to live of the money you earn being a muso anyway, so screw it outright. i dunno if these bastards are responsible for TAB destroying, but if they are, it just shows how god damn low people have become.

i agree 100% I support artists by going to there concerts and buying t-shirts I rarely buy cds anymore depending on who it is I will buy a cd now and then but if its overpriced then I won't. Any cd over $15-20 isn't worth it, if cds were 9.99 I'd buy more but they keep jacking up the price of cds and movies nowadays I don't even bother.

[Krisp]

Haha, that's awesome!

[BoF]

RIAA you are going down ****ers!!!

[Mexican Militia]

Concerts and Shows is where Bands make the real money. The record industry rapes bands from their CDs. Yeah, you can judge your status of Rock-Stardom by looking at Record Sales, but if you really want to support your band, go to a show and show them face to face how much you care.

[mike420666]

ValoRhoads wrote:

This could be catastrophic for the record industry. If she wins this, piracy is going to go through the roof. If that happens, none of the good artists will make any money, hence they'll quit and we'll be left with perpetual Nickelback!!! I ask you, is that what you really want? Chad Kroeger ruling the world???? I can think of no worse hell! Seriously, i hope this settles out of court otherwise none of us have a shot in hell at ever becoming rockstars or even enjoying good music ever again. Piracy is just wrong.

The good musicians are the ones who do not do it for money. You can record a perfectly good album an a very low budget. If musicians quit making lots of money im assuming that it will weed out all of the Nickelbacks out there who are only trying to get rich

[nirvana4lf]

go grandma go

[ISeeLondon]

Basically I Can Categorize The Population Of This Comment Box's Commentators Into Three Groups.

1. Hardcore PuNx: The People Who Do Not Think Coherently And Are Capable Of No Cognitive Thought Once So Ever. Their Only Response To Everything Follows A Certain Formula Which Goes Much Like So, "Fuck + (Whatever The Conversation Topic Is.") Congratulations For Attempting To Stand Out And Differentiate Yourselves From The Rest Of The People. Sadly The Attempt Is A Fruitless Escapade Resulting In You Looking Like A Complete Dick.

2. The Knowledgeable Sages: The Zealotist High Intellectuals Who Believe They Have Reached That Of Nirvana And Beyond. OBVIOUSLY You All Know EXACTLY How The Musical Business Industry Works Because It's Stated. By Your Words. These Sadly Have About As Much Reliability Of A Wikipedia Troll. Do Not Attempt To Rise Above The Blundering Hardcore PuNx By Stating Pure Falsities Which You Have Created Just Now In This Little Comment Box, Or Possibly Something Your "Musically Savvy" Friend Has Told You. Even If It Were True, It Still Does Not Omit You From The Imminent Fact That You Are A Pretentious Prick.

3. Grammar Nazis: You Guys Are Out There Somewhere. Enough Said.

4. The Band Martyrs: "The Bands Don't Do It For Money, They Do It For The Music." Really? Is That So? Would You Care To Elaborate Upon Where The Musicians Get Their Money? What Is The Point Of Releasing Albums Again Dear Friend? Oh Yes To PURCHASE Them. And What Happens When You PURCHASE An Album? PROFIT! Yes Sir, Profit. Bands Need It, Bands Want It. Don't Even Try To Deny The Fact That Basic Instinct Of Greed And Wealth Don't Exist. In A Hypothetical World In Which The Bands Didn't Have Any Slight Inclination As To Dire Need For Money, I'm Almost Positive They Would Rather Receive Income For Their Work As Apposed To Living Two Jobs And Having To Get A Substantial Amount Of Money For Balancing Two Lives.

5. Finally, The Reasonables, The Rational, Logic: Normal People. Sadly Enough, This Board May Consist Of Maybe An Entirety Of Two Percent Of These People. You Certain Individuals Speak For Yourselves, Think Logically, And Are Not Complete Pricks. By Doing This You Have Won In More Than One Way; Not Only On The Board, But Also In Life.

To Summarize My Message To The Fifth Group, AN WINNARS IS YOU!

By Now Must Of You Are Thinking What A Jerk I Am To Post This. But Basically Think Of It This Way. No Doubt All Of You Have Taken A Self Survey Quiz To Determine Your Personality In Which After You Most Likely Send To The People Who Care Least About You Or Possibly You Post The Results On Your Myspace. Either Way, Think Of My Comment As One Of Those, Except For Endearment You Receive Harsh Reality. Basically This Comment Is A Mirror To Yourself With An Engraving At The Bottom Of "Wake The Fuck Up".

Love,
Charles.

[shotgunjoe]

Charles, you an RIAA agent?

Fucking bastards.

Go Mrs Crain!

[RSpahr16]

www.downhillbattle.org

all that must be said.

[fas11030]

Charles, u seem like u would go into category 2...

anyway, GO MRS. CRAIN!!!!

[Dog454]

Mrs. Crain FTW!!

I hate the RIAA, it's just a rip-off of artists so a bunch of rich *******s can make more money. There needs to be some form of protection of artists music without a middleman that screws everyone over.

[HumanitysDeath]

LeperAffinity spoke true words. Very well said.

ISeeLondon doesn't know how to count, and needs to stop acting like a know-it-all himself.

If you're in a band that's headlining sold out concerts, with 9 out of 10 fans wearing your band shirt at the concert, I'm not so sure you should be worrying about people downloading your album illegally.

I could understand if it was a smaller, more local band.

But honestly, if it was me in either of those positions (local band or world tour band), I'd be happy just making music that people enjoy. As long as people were to come see me in concert, talk to me after the show about the songs and the albums, I'd be beyond happy.

My hopes go to Ms. Cain in her case.

[Anarion614]

We should start a Mrs. Crain FTW club.

[bassbizzle]

ValoRhoads wrote:

This could be catastrophic for the record industry. If she wins this, piracy is going to go through the roof. If that happens, none of the good artists will make any money, hence they'll quit and we'll be left with perpetual Nickelback!!! I ask you, is that what you really want? Chad Kroeger ruling the world???? I can think of no worse hell! Seriously, i hope this settles out of court otherwise none of us have a shot in hell at ever becoming rockstars or even enjoying good music ever again. Piracy is just wrong

come on nickelback aint that bad

[Twiggy81R]

Dirk Gently...You're an attorney. What's your take on this?

[Twiggy81R]

File Sharing. Just a modern day name for mix tape.

[ISeeLondon]

Ah Yes The Hate Mail Begins...

Firstly I Would Like To Address The Very First Two Commentators To My Comment. To The First One, Your Sentence Lacks A Verb. That Within Itself Is Enough Disgrace To Give Yourself Consent For Suicide. To The Second, I Think It Is More Than Fair To Suspect You Concentrated Your Five Year Old Mentality, Furrowed Your Brow, And Had Your Tongue Hanging From Your Mouth, And Yet All You Could morsel Up Was A Turn Around Of My Insult. You Truly Are A Champion Of Sorts. I Suggest You Join A Cheerleader Team And While You Ask To Receive A U As Apposed To You In Your Cheer I Hope You Are Pelted With Multiple Dictionaries At Once.

To The Last One Who's Life Must Be SO Bleak As To Have A Screen Name Such As Humanity's Death. I Say Sir! You OBVIOUSLY Have Voiced Out Your Emotions Through Your Truly Inspirational Name. Know We All Feel Sympathy For You And Will Engage In Your Much Need Fellatio. As For The Incorrect Numerical Value It Was A Slip That Needed Editing That I Did Not Care To Do Seeing As How This Is A Comment Box As Apposed To A Thesis. Apologies That I Will Not Have Impeccable Writing Such As Yourself. The Incorrect Use Of Was As Apposed To Were? You Are A GENIUS SIR! Now Everyone Will Aspire To Be Like That Of You Incorrectly Forming The Conditional. I Do Say Sir Please Return To The Fourth Grade!

I Can See Why You Are So Bleak With Your Horrid Grammar. Maybe One Day You Can Aspire To Work At A McDonalds After Having Been Rejected Due To Your Improper Use Of Your Own Language.

And If I May Say To All Other Users Who Decide To Further Their Ability To Comment On The Internet Against My Word, Which I Fully Encourage Mainly Due To The Amount Of LoL I Receive Once Reading Them, That Anyone That Is Insulted Over The Internet And Has Their Feelings Hurt Is Not Worthy Of A An IP Address And Should Willingly Have Their Internet Provider Insert Multiple Wi-Fi Connectors Up Their Rectum.

Love,
Charles.

[Twiggy81R]

Aren't you only suppose to use capital letters at the beginning of a sentence and proper names?

[GuitarManiac09]

ISeeLondon wrote:

Ah Yes The Hate Mail Begins...

Firstly I Would Like To Address The Very First Two Commentators To My Comment. To The First One, Your Sentence Lacks A Verb. That Within Itself Is Enough Disgrace To Give Yourself Consent For Suicide. To The Second, I Think It Is More Than Fair To Suspect You Concentrated Your Five Year Old Mentality, Furrowed Your Brow, And Had Your Tongue Hanging From Your Mouth, And Yet All You Could morsel Up Was A Turn Around Of My Insult. You Truly Are A Champion Of Sorts. I Suggest You Join A Cheerleader Team And While You Ask To Receive A U As Apposed To You In Your Cheer I Hope You Are Pelted With Multiple Dictionaries At Once.

You missed one *******. Incorrect grammar is so common on the internet you're the idiot for hoping proper grammar. You should be pelted by "Get used to it" t-shirts and coffee mugs.

[jaymyvendetta]

Twiggy81R wrote:

Aren't you only suppose to use capital letters at the beginning of a sentence and proper names?

Yeah. ISeeLondon, before you start commenting on other peoples sentence structure you need to brush up on your basic punctuation rules.

$15 a CD wouldn't be too bad, here i am constantly seeing CDs at the £15 mark, which with the current exchange rates means we are paying almost double.

[ISeeLondon]

Hm. Well In The South It Seems Racism Is Common. We Should TOTALLY Adapt To That No? And If I May, Please Calm Down. We Can Disagree But At Least Keep Calm? I Actually Do Have The Most Entertaining Mental Image Of A Vein Bulging From Your Forehead So Much So That It Literally Dwarfs The Rest Of Your Body, Much Like That Of A Period And Your "Manly" Element.

As For Twiggy, Whom I Suspect Is Morbidly Obese, I Do Say Punctuation And Capitalization Are Two Completely Different Things! The Fact You Cannot Differentiate The Two Is One Ever Flowing Fountain Of Hilarity.

Love,
Charles.

[Shib]

Honesly, if they sold CDs for 2$ each it would be alot easier to pay 2$ and get a CD wrather than waiting 20 mins for a CD to download..

[Nhex (PT)]

Shib wrote:

Honesly, if they sold CDs for 2$ each it would be alot easier to pay 2$ and get a CD wrather than waiting 20 mins for a CD to download..