Who Says We Aren't Punk?

What defines a person as Punk? The way they color or style their hair? The amount of stickers they put on the back of their car’s window? Or what about the patches on their backpack or purse? Is it ‘cause they have a guitar or drum set and can play a Nirvana riff? Or better yet can play the riff to that Deep Purple song. Or better yet is it the kind of music they listen to? As I search around the net I see nothing but discrimination toward others because of the bands they like ie. Good Charlotte, Blink 182, Simple Plan, New Found Glory, Yellowcard. I also hear the same kind of thing in my local Guitar Center; I over heard one person telling another person that he’s not punk for whatever reason and the song he’s trying to play doesn’t make him punk. That being the wrong conversation for an employee to a potential buyer, yet at the same time the conversation had nothing to do with a purchase, it’s his stance on what’s punk. Ok, understandable, but what makes the employee so much more punk than the other person? Physically, between the 3 of us there was nothing different. We all had the same style of clothes on, basically the same hairstyle, used the same slang and similar mannerisms (air guitar lol). So what defines us as punk?

A little about me so you can understand my standpoint. I listen to a lot of bands, granted, I’m new to this whole punk community. A little over a year and a half ago I was probably the biggest hiphop fan there was and I didn’t know a thing about punk. I just knew that punk irritated me. I’d rather listen to a synthesizer and a dumb machine than a guitar and a 7-piece drum set. Then hiphop/rap got boring to me. It seemed as if one day I woke up and didn’t care for that kind of music anymore. With acts such as Chingy, Cassidy, Lil’ Jon coming out and becoming so mainstream I couldn’t take the non-talent and repetitiveness of talking about cars and girls. And I never looked back. Sadly the band and song that turned me on to punk was Good Charlotte – Boys And Girls. I know, what you’re thinking, “he’s not punk if he listens to GC”. No, I never said I was punk. That is just a catchy song, I doubt there is anyone who listens to that kind of music and hasn’t found themselves thinking or humming that chorus from time to time. So, needless to say I picked up that CD and liked it, then I got their first release and liked that as well. Then from GC I progressed into other bands, mainstream bands, like Blink, Simple Plan etc. But now GC is pretty far in my rearview mirror. As I type this I have Fallout Boy playing in the background. And all around my desk are Nirvana albums, Thrice, Finch, MxPx (they are not pop), NoFX, and yes Yellowcard, just to name a few. And on my computers desktop I have a plethora of punk mp3s.

With Fallout Boy playing in the background, it leads me to think “Who and what makes a band pop or not really punk?” Yellowcard for example, I’ve seen plenty of people in the forum’s rag on others because they like Yellowcard and say that they aren’t punk. Let me just say this first, just because a band is on TRL does not make them pop. It says they make good music, have a good record deal and are making some money! Why to people say bands like Yellowcard and Blink 182 are sellouts because they are becoming so mainstream? All they are doing it making some money. They are still punk or whatever they claim to be. They just aren’t sheltered and the selected few only know about them. Now Good Charlotte, it's been said and it’s true they aren’t punk and they are pop as hell! They don’t even write their own songs (they co-write) but that doesn’t mean they don’t make good music. There I said it. MxPx, some people say they are pop. For those that don’t know, pop is short for Popular Music. MxPx is a great band with very well written songs and chorus’ and are very catchy. But what band doesn’t try to do that? System of a Down, now they write some of the worst songs I’ve ever heard and have the worst singer ever. But I don’t think they are punk. I just mentioned them to make a comparison. So why would they be pop? I think people get mainstream and pop confused.

Reading some of the other articles on this website lead me to think punk is probably something I’m too new to understand but then again, some people just talk out of their ass. Here is a quote from an article I really liked: “What respect I used to have for punk I've lost it all since old bands sold out and new bands degrade into garbage... I bet the majority of you punks can't name one band who hasn't sold out... Why do I say that? Because they probably had to sell out for you to hear about them.” (Why Punk?)

This quote brings me back to the mainstream and making money. What makes a band a sellout if more than a few thousand people know about them? Again, there is nothing wrong with wanting to make money. In all reality these bands make music to make money. Sure, some will say “We’d rather play than make money”(“We don’t need fortune and we don’t need fame, we don’t need bright lights to spell our name…- MxPx”) but in their heart they want to make money. That goes for any genre of music. Bands such as MxPx probably said that and meant it 10 years ago when they were starting out but look at them now. Starting at an Indy Label Tooth and Nail and now they are at A&M. Now that they are making money, they say that. Funny.

Let me take you back to something most of us can agree on. Nirvana, although not punk, we can agree that they were a great band. I can say that most of my life I listened to urban music but there isn’t a Nirvana song that I don’t know for some reason. People liked Nirvana for what reason? Their live performances, Kurt’s powerful lyrics and music; I think a mixture of all. Grunge music was to the early 90’s what punk is today in my opinion. And they were as mainstream as Good Charlotte, Blink 182, or Yellowcard and everyone loved them. I wouldn’t define them as sellouts but I would call them hypocritical. Their premise was to “write really good music, to write the best music we possibly can.” (Cobain – Guitar One) but then when asked about Indy bands going to Major Labels he says “Alternative music is no longer alternative music once its mainstream.” Every band wants to write good music and be a good band whether its punk, grunge, metal etc. but on the same token they wont run from a major label deal. My point is: just because a band becomes mainstream does not in anyway constitute anyone from defining them as something other than what they are.

On a quest to define punk and who and what makes them punk I’ll make some comparisons between commercial, independent. Blink 182, mentioned a lot in this article, they’ve been around for years, a great band with longevity. If you listen to the early Blink albums you can clearly hear a significant difference in the music they are putting out today. Is that due to major label success over the years? No, its called progression. With songs such as I Miss You and I’m Lost Without You could define them as a wuss band or Emo but listen to the other tracks such as Violence or Stockholm Syndrome. Very powerful tracks, lyrically and musically. And who says Travis isn’t a badass drummer. In comparison, which is essentially comparing apples to apples, red and green, Box Car Racer, 2/3 of the band and I’ve heard so many people say that they are punk, more than Blink 182. Yea, uh, Ok I’ll buy that, morons. There is really no need for an explanation on that one. You can figure it out yourself. Fall Out Boy, they are becoming more mainstream. I’m betting in less than a year they are going to be on Video Clash on MTV up against Story Of The Year. A great band but FOB has the same kind of tracks coming out as Blink. Some really poppy and lyrically emo-esq. Personally, I like them. Thrice, breaking out into the commercial side of things. A great band, a comparison between the two is likely, they both have very similar styles. Is either any less punk than the other? Nope. Then we have a band like Yellowcard, bringing something new to the industry with their twist of violin and they made it work. I wouldn’t define them any less punk than any of the other bands listed here but they do have a country twang. They have an entirely different style of music and I’d lean more to defining them as emo-punk with songs like One Year, Six Months, and Only One. Flashlight Brown, a good band and I wouldn’t be able to compare them to Yellowcard mainly because their style is so different. But punk is punk.

To me punk is more of an attitude, an outlook, an opinion. If you’re a self-proclaimed punk then you have your own opinion on to what’s punk and who is punk. Can punk be defined? No, not at all. Everyone has their own opinion. I bet if one were to ask Tom from Blink to define punk he’d give a definition totally different than christian rocker Mike from MxPx. Or to ask Ryan from Yellowcard. Then to hear my opinion as opposed to the guy that’s been a band that won your local Battle of the Bands. Or if we could ask Kurt Cobain how he felt about the punk scene today and to define it. Punk in a way, to others, can be a rebellion against “the man” then again what kind of rock related music isn’t? That goes all the way back to Hendrix, Sabbath, Pink Floyd, and up to Nirvana, NoFx and even AFI. The article Punk Life made some good points, and I encourage anyone who hasn’t read it to read it because it’s straight to the point on his view of punk. And honestly, there is no definition of punk and there is always someone who is going to call another person a poser.

Comments

[hobo8917]

alright article

[hobo8917]

biased but what punk article isn't?

[heshmen]

dude you can't call yourself a punk if you listen to fallout boy or ***in blink 182. The hell is wrong with you.

[ShadowRelcuse]

Well, punk is supposedly quite pollitically motivated, and NONE of the bands you listed were political in the least bit; save System of a Down, who you bashed. There's the difference between pop-punk and punk. Politics.

[RMR101]

you punks sure do whine alot.

[V12]

RMR101...that is probably the truest statement iv'e probably heard all month. hahahah i love it

[heshmen]

nofx is pretty pollitical. Wait how the hell do you spell pollitical?

[them_sell]

Good Charlotte, Blink 182, Simple Plan, New Found Glory, Yellowcard. arent punk. so never say it agian. punk's an attitude. and selling out, changing your music, so the record companys say ok. is not the right kind of attitude

[DParis]

you punks sure do whine alot.

:haha

[LastRockShow]

to Hesmen
a punk is not defined 'punk' by the music he listens to.

RMR101
DAMN STRAIGHT! lol

System Of A Down rock. You can't honestly compare Mark Hoppus's vocals to SOAD's lead singer. But in any case, I must say this was an incredibly well-written article. One of the absolute best I ever read. It may be a bit biased, but it's from your point of view, and you did a good job. And even though I don't entirely agree with your article, I am looking forward to more articles you write in the future.

[_1LaStTrY]

punk is dead, goddammit, i listen to "punk", but the word punk and the movement is dead. punk was created as a movement against president reagan and the royal family in the uk. it was political. "punk" is now maintream, when you see 12 year old girls dressed up like punks because of avril lavigne, you have to say to yourself that punk is now a fashion... they are still some true punk bands, who stick to the roots, that is political punk, like nofx for instance. system of a down could fit in that category also. punk nowadays is a lot like rap, bands talk about girls and shit like that, whiny bitches. i'd also like to say, stop the feud between metalheads and punkers ! we should unite, because we like the basics of those styles, the guitar ! i like metal and i like punk, i like rock in general. stop bitching, cause soon you'll have something to bitch about. trash is making a new face for itself, new trash bands are coming out of everywhere, so look closely ! this will be great !!

[heshmen]

Dude you have to listen to some punk music to call yourself a punk. you can't be a punk and have a couple of britney spears albums retard. Get your facts straight buddy.

[ShoeLaces907]

As someone famous once said, punk's not dead, it's just at K-Mart. And completely irrelevant.

[Shifty08]

Hah, it's funny that the people who say "punk is dead" don't even know when it started.

All these rants are getting kinda tiresome.

[GoodCharloteSux]

What makes yellowcard pop is the frikin violin player!

[nirvanafan11111]

this is a crap article u just gave ure opinions try being more open minded and how much of system of a down have u actually heard.

Well, punk is supposedly quite pollitically motivated, and NONE of the bands you listed were political in the least bit; save System of a Down, who you bashed. There's the difference between pop-punk and punk. Politics.

well put thts wot punk is itsbeing rebellious and not conforming too societies image or changing ure music too suit a record companies taste

[nirvanafan11111]

wtf i put quote

[im not mental]

system of a down rules.

[egor]

oh dammit dude , u cant call yourself a punk just because of music , and if u dont care that you are not punk so why to write this article ???? lol and from all the listed bands only nofx is punk , even thought i love blink182 , i know they dont write punk since dude ranch ... well go out and listen to some older stuff like social distortion , exploited , sex pistols , maybe ramones ...
and theres one more thing to say (it doesnt change alot , just my opinion) : there are 2 ways of selling out : 1 to make a music just to get $$ (like all the rap/pop which is the same thing nowadays) , 2 is to make a great music and get paid for it (like metallica , blink 182 , ) u can not to sell out , but then , only people from your town/state(in a good case) will hear you
and yeah ,,,, man yellowcard sucks ......

[egor]

simple plan , mxpx , good charlotte ohhhh man .... u gave me a head ache with these names ...

[egor]

sorry for my mistkes (if i did) english isnt my first language

[celluloid_dream]

who cares anymore ..

[crawlingfaster]

this is funny. everyone is saying o you listen to blink yellowcard and stuff your not a punk. but if you atualy read the article he says he isnt punk.

[X_Ray_Spex]

Dude you guys are all ***ing stupid. Punk is a music genre and always has been . You people took it upon yourselfs to try and call it a political movement. Bullshit. The Adicts, The Toy Dolls, and the X-Ray Spex they never talked about anything political in their music but would you call them not punk? I think not. ShayneBishop and all you other morons go educate uorselfs and listen to real punk bands like Resistance 77, Cocksparrer, and the Abrasive Wheels. 26th

[Kenney333]

whats stupid is that people see being "punk" as some kind of goal, or a good thing that yu have to achieve to be cool, its the stupidest thing ive ever heard. If i point out someone as looking like a douchebag because we wears all west 49 clothes, and has a trucker hat that ingeniously says "punk" on it, its not cause i think their not really whatever "punk is" its because they think that the image makes them better, because they actually think that theyve found some kind of true calling by wearing skateboarding shirts and trucker hats rather than the basketball jerseys and baseball caps they had on 6 months ago. It not cause i think theyre not "harcore enough" or some crap like that, its cause they think that what they wear and what they call themselves is more important thatn what they think or do, or that being punk, is more important than being themselves, that why the kids are douchebags.

[MrLucky77713]

^It's not a political movement, but you're shitting yourself if you think politics has nothing to do with it.

I think idiots should be banned from posting articles. Punk is still around and it's just as good as it was before. It's merely harder to find.

Wankshafts like this really fuckin piss me off. A lot of people have worked really damn hard to make punk a great musical genre, and a lot of people have given up everything to pursue it. By saying it's dead, or that it's all mainstream is to piss on those people, and besides that, you're lying to yourself.

Pop-punk is a respectable genre. Get off your high horse and see that some of it is really catchy and really good. Try the buzzcocks and the ramones and the queers. If you want something recent, fall out boy and the older Brand New and even NFG. Sorry, but I LIKE NFG. It's just really really catchy.

You can be punk and listen to Blink if you want. Punk isn't a fucking country club. People who smack everyone who isn't into the most hardcore of street and call them posers are just dicks.

I've had enough. Some of these weirdos are only alive because it is illegal to kill them.

[dangerlives]

I liked your article morte than most of the articles i read in here. I have always felt that "punk" is more of an attitude put forth in any aspect of self expression, be it music, writing or appearance. "Punk" is just a way to vent your feelings and kick some ass. As for selling out, until we get rid of record labels thasts just the way it's going to be. Concerned about selling out?: http://www.downhillbattle
.org

[offspring_punk]

wow a lot of people are dumbasses. punk is about the music and attitude you have. so ***ing what if you listen to blink-182? they're a good band and are punk. you guys say all these bands sellout and go with big record companies but think of this. if you had some shit recording studio and record label...your music would sound like shit and even if people did hear it they prolly wouldn't like it since it sounded so bad. some bands just sign with bigger record labels to get their music out there and heard. now ill admit..simple plan and gc are not punk. they try to hard to please the people and only talk about girls. but bands like The Offspring, blink-182, Bad Religion who you all say are pop-punk aren't. their music sounds different because people are different. and all these bands have been around 10+ years almost. their thoughts change and so does the world. people only think of how a band presents themselves as to whether or not they are punk or pop-punk. its really about the music. i get so ***ing sick of listening to you bitch about people who listen to certain bands. its their choice so live with it...and quit your bitching

[offspring_punk]

30th

[frauny]

In my opinion "punk" isn't about what music you listen to or what your look like it's just about being yourself and not doing things because other people do it. I'll admit i listen to some "pop-punk" bands: Milencolin, Sugarcult, Green Day. But there has been worse so called rock music out there just look at the hair bands from the 80s. And if you consider "selling out" signing with a major record label then why don't you consider the Ramones, Sex Pistols, the Clash, even Led Zeppelin sell outs.

[bennybeast1]

No, there isn't a definition of punk, it just a word they made up for the laugh in their pretty imaginations. What the fcuk are you talking about? Nirvana are as mainstream as Good Charlotte? Wake up and smell the coffe asshole.

[rockjock2552]

did this guy call nirvana punk man i will slap you. it is called grunge for a reason and pink floyd is not punk either neither is hendrix dumbass. go and learn what music people acually play.

[bennybeast1]

Also i would also like to say, Punks aren't who they are JUST because of what they listen to, you can't go catagorising someone just becuase of the music they like. Punks are famous for they crazy hairstyles, crazy clothing and not giving a damn about what other people think. That is how they got their name, Punk in America when it started was quite an offensive word, and by calling themselves that spelled out that they just don't give a damn and are rebellious to society. So get your facts straight next time.

[)Eric(Draven]

Ok hardcore punk kid, just go ahead and hardcorely think what you want and whine about your girlfriend, and I'll sit here and listen. I'll listen to you bitch about random shit, and I'll enjoy it.

[V12]

hahaha, listening to these kids argue...hahahahah

[RatiugLink]

You know what, I think we're all punks in God's eyes. Jesus only accepts those with green hair.

i equl totl punk perrfecshun!!!!!111111111

[MyungPetrucci]

Punk is a rebellious "I don't give a **** about you" type of rock, not "My girlfriend dumped me" or "I'm addicted to you", or Stink-182 for that matter. My opinion, but punk, as I once remembered it, was fast drums, loud distortion, decent bass lines, and somewhat yelled vocals. And the LYRICS don't deal with girls and love lives.

My opinion. don't flame.

[JPK]

Punk hasn't been a statement for years, it's now just a style of music. Not really my scene but still... Seems like a club to me, where none of the members think any of the other members are good enough to be in (todays punk scene)

[RedTears]

hey, bitch (article writer) i like Blink 182 (cant stand yellowcard though or NFG or simple plan or faggots like that) but uh, THEY ARE POP-PUNK! they aint punk. They are pop-punk. Anyways, you got the other bands wrong too, i didnt bother reading the whole thing cause it sucked.

[harm0n20]

heshmen:
dude you can't call yourself a punk if you listen to fallout boy or ***in blink 182. The hell is wrong with you.

obviously did not get this article at all.
who gives a *** about what punk is or not i say *** punk and all other music genres. if i want to listen to britney spears and blue man group and blink and metallica than i ***ing will and i dont give a *** about any of you ***ing dipshits or if i am "punk" or not. *** that.

[KeviePie04]

I personally think punk should be abolished as a genre, because too many people call too many completly different things punk. The only thing you talked about in this article really was why people don't like the bands you like. Punk is really undefinable now. Sure, you can call bands like the Sex Pistols, Ramones, the Dead Kennedys, whatever you want from back then punk, because they were really the bands that started it. Then, punk was more or less about the politics for a lot of bands, save a couple like the ramones and such, and it was really about the attitude. Now, its more about saying whether your a 'punk' or not. And if you are a punk, whats that do for you? Whatever, i have really no idea where the idea for all the recent pop punk bands came from, maybe record companys just wanted to make money off them because of the success of green day, who knows. It's pretty easy to whine about your girlfriend dumping you over a bunch of power chords, but whatever.
whats the point of bashing system of a down anyways?

[O_o]

finally someone is talking sense around here

[metallicahhut]

man punk isnt the music man its about the lifestyle oh you live. the i dont give a *** attitude screw the system ill do what i want. not caring of you sleep in a gutter that night wake up and eat some pizza from a trash can behind dominos. just because you sport black falg and listen to casualities and shit doesnt mean you are punk.its how you live man what you really are i. and *** man who cares if you listen to the popier bands. *** man i love punk the "real" shit but i also like blink and im a huge metallica fan its not about the music man its how you live i know i dont have it that bad since im on like a computer and shit because its the i dont give a *** attitude that i have that. harm0n20 you are ***ing awesome man thank you. you are a smart dude man you ***ers need to wake up and smell the coffee *** what you guys think is punk if i want to listen to "cock" rock like def leppard and then listen metallica and then dk or distillers i will so *** you and all you dumb ass ***s why dont you just go *** yourselves and listen to so emo or something. *** off

[chinko]

WTF

this article was just weird

it bored me

who cares, i define punk as 'blink 182' and older punk bands are much much better. punk is about just making music with simple chords n stuff (MY OPINION!).

and system rock

[RatiugLink]

GOD HEARTS PUNXORZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
1111111111YAYAYAYAYA

[kooldonuts]

_1LaStTrY:
punk is dead, goddammit, i listen to "punk", but the word punk and the movement is dead. punk was created as a movement against president reagan and the royal family in the uk. it was political. "punk" is now maintream, when you see 12 year old girls dressed up like punks because of avril lavigne, you have to say to yourself that punk is now a fashion... they are still some true punk bands, who stick to the roots, that is political punk, like nofx for instance. system of a down could fit in that category also. punk nowadays is a lot like rap, bands talk about girls and shit like that, whiny bitches. i'd also like to say, stop the feud between metalheads and punkers ! we should unite, because we like the basics of those styles, the guitar ! i like metal and i like punk, i like rock in general. stop bitching, cause soon you'll have something to bitch about. trash is making a new face for itself, new trash bands are coming out of everywhere, so look closely ! this will be great !!

damn straight!

[Fallen Link]

Worst article on this site.

[undead_bunny]

Opinoins Opinoins Opinoins.....

damn i cant spell!

[Zeke5000]

"Grunge music was to the early 90?s what punk is today in my opinion."
Okay grunge was a fashion. Nirvana and Pearl Jam and all of the rest didnt say hey lets make a new style of music they were just playing what they liked. Kurt loved punk music. He didnt think that punk was just one straight sound. He understood that Punk music was freedom and it isnt a look or anything like that. Blink 182 say that they used to not play something if it didnt sound like their style and that is not punk. mxpx are a ***ing christian band. their a christian band how the hell is that punk. Punk is against religions and goverment. Its anarchy you dont have a ***ing god and rules that you have to abide by. punk and anarchy go hand in hand and good charlotte are not anarchists. if they make something their record company doesnt like they aint gonna get that song on their cd. I dont see one mention of the creators the pioneers of punk in your piece of shit article. It sounds like you are just pissed off because you want to be punk so you started an argument defending your favorite conformist wannabee bands. Sounds like the only good bands you listen to are nirvana and nofx. unless you actually listen to Hendrix, Sabbath, and Pink Floyd.

[habebe girl]

okay its fine whatever you music you like but maybe you should listen to System of a Downs lyrical content a little better. I think that they are a great modern band, lyrically. Like I said hey its your opinion, but I suggest just listen to them once more and really try to focus on what they're saying and you'lll probly find that much of their music lyrically is a lot deeper than Ocean Avenue.

[awsomeguitarGOD]

hey i listen to alot of things. from metal to hardcore to hardcore punk to pop punk. And to tell you the truth to me its all good. At least its not god damn snoopdogg.

[awsomeguitarGOD]

I know punk when i hear it or see it. To me a fat girl wearing rubber bracelets ,a good charlott shirt, black eyeliner,baggy pants,converse and going around saying that she plays guitar when she doesnt even know what an E string is,definetly is not punk.

[derifity]

this article made some good (and some stupid) points but what the hell was the point of it?
damn "punks" ruining chuck taylors image for every1 else

[Cyberknight4000]

I wish I was cool enough to be a punk

[earlswoll]

dang it...punk isn't about music...or the way you dress or none of that crap. punk is a mindset, a "fight the system, we will be heard" mindset...and if you wanna argue bout what bands are punk then look at the lyrics...not the music, or how much money they make....


damn all you people who fight about stupid stuff and don't see good music, whether you call it punk or not

[cannonball_900]

what the hell is this

[washbrnxb105]

what I think about this whole thing is who gives a s**t if someone thinks you arent punk. Cuz punk is about being your self and not giving a s**t. And you whining and complaining about what someone said totally goes against what you are trying to be. I honestly dont consider myself any of these stereotypes because that limits what I can and cant do. I consider myself to be a part of a stereotype called myself and I think that everyone should consider themselves a part of that stereotype because that would allow you to do whatever the hell you wanna do and not catching any s**t from anyone

[SURFraptor7]

who cares... this is just another article that beats a dead topic into boredom. Jeez, an article that doesnt try to explain the word "punk" would be nice. I say who cares if a band is punk... whatever, but if I see another article about "who is punk and who is not" I'm gonna get sick...
write about something NEW!!
SLICK SHOES ROCKS!

[colefer]

You are a dumbass System of a Down kicks ass and they are hard rock not punk you queer!

[kyle_afi]

My opinion but SOAD makes piss-poor music.

[jeeba jaba]

SURFraptor7:
who cares... this is just another article that beats a dead topic into boredom. Jeez, an article that doesnt try to explain the word "punk" would be nice. I say who cares if a band is punk... whatever, but if I see another article about "who is punk and who is not" I'm gonna get sick...
write about something NEW!!
SLICK SHOES ROCKS!
[POSTED: 29 June 2004 - 00:15]|

coulndt agree more

[RevelationStorm]

Boring article.............and punks are stupid.

[RevelationStorm]

Kenney333:
whats stupid is that people see being "punk" as some kind of goal, or a good thing that yu have to achieve to be cool, its the stupidest thing ive ever heard.

Thank you, couldn't have said it any better.

[P_Gilbertrules]

Whats Wrong with Fallout Boy? Honest question...one of my friends is on a mixed artist punk cd with them.... I don't remember what it's called.... he said he liked them. Maybe, person who is writeing this article knows of a band called Scallywag? Perhaps you even own the cd that falloutboy is on with them. Perhaps even one of the band members is on this site, and saw this message? That'ed be wierd.... go LHS.... Anyhoo.... really, whats wrong with Fallout Boy? I don't personally like punk much, most of it annoys me, (I opened it by accident, saw falloutboy, and read the rest)but in theory if you're so "punk" why do you give a *** about what someone else does or listens to or supports?

[PychoArtRocker]

Blink182,GC an all of them are "Pop Punk". Punk was polical and they are not polical,so therefore they are not punk

[PychoArtRocker]

AND RIGHT ABOUT SOMETHING NEW FOR A CHANG!!! I HATE GOOD CHARLOTT AND LIKE BILNK 182!!!I DONT CARE IF THEY ARE NOT "THE REAL PUNK" GOOD MUSIC IS GOOD MUSIC AND ANYTHING ELS CAN GO TO HELL!!!

[ZepHedJack]

If you have to worry about being punk, then you aren't punk.

[JPaul17]

you mother***er... dont ever rag on the system ever again. they are one of the best numetal bands out there

[Tuegli]

What happened to the days where people didn't give a f*** who was a poser or not!? I mean who cares? Punk started out as a music category and it was the ATTITUDE that kept it alive for god's sake! If U ask me punk is about the attitude (like if a trouble maker is about the old people say to the cops "I want this PUNK arrested", not "I want this PREP arrested!") not how U dress or the type of music you listen 2 (ok you have to listen to some punk) or anything like that!! And it's pretty gay if U ask me! I mean you listen to a band that not everyone likes and you get called a stupid poser and U never said you were punk. And who ever agress w/ me (or some what agress with me) that's cool! And if u don't agree w/ me, that cool 2.
Don't get mad at and start typing nasty s*** to me or about me. It's my opinion so GET OVER IT!

[WIZ]

GC sucks, thats a fact

[afirocker00]

AMEN THIS ARTICLE IS THE BEST YET!

[benjaminr]

I do, you're not punk

[issidvicious]

man, i'm really sick of these types of articles, and don't mention Flashlight, they're in a whole other category

[gryftorsguitar]

you say pop means popular music
you say mainstream is different from pop
isnt mainstream another way of saying popular music?
i mean seriously, it is, isnt it?
MAINSTREAM IS POP MUSIC

[Horebane]

Dumbass , punk is an attitude , it means not giving a *** about what others think of you or what they expect of you.

[metalmassacre]

hay i have friend and i his house is being remodeled by some guy playing the vans tour or some shit like thsat he says that nofx are a bunch of crackheads and that good charlotte said "yeah we want to do better stuff but this stuff makes money"

[Tim Woodrow]

Punk has been abused, by all of you -
It's not about a certain image just your own image -
whatever that may be!

[CasualtiesArmy]

Mind your own goddamn buisness. Why the hell do you care if someone thinks their punk or not? Dumbshit

[deadkenedy]

Who gives a shit call yourselves whatever you want, listen to aretha franklin and call yourself death metal for all i care. We all just need to relax, let people do what they want we can't stop others doing what they do no matter how much we have a go at them.

[t1mf]

"Punk aint no religious cult, punk means thinking for urself." so figure it out on ur own

[sycorax]

congratulations people!!!! we have ourselves another kutless!!!

ps.. and yello***ingcard werent to use violins.. let me point out the corrs used them WAY better than yellowcard...

[kyzar]

PUNK is quite simply crap - the most complicated thing they play is power chords and they are always crapping on about their dads in the lyrics. It facinates me why this "rock music" sells.

Did I hear someone stating that Good Charlotte are as mainstream as Nirvana. What the hell are they thinking/on? And how can you compare GC to Nirvana anyway? That comment was just as bad as one my friend made once, who classified Linkin Park as GRUNGE. I know your mouths are dropping...

Anyone who classifies Nirvana and Jimi Hendrix as Punk should seriously be given a crash course in Music.

[Emenius Sleepus]

aahhhhhhhhhhhhhh not a - ***ing - gain

[nouse4aname125]

^
name one punk band who whines about their dads.
remember i said PUNK not POP PUNK

[nouse4aname125]

^ i was poinkting up at kyzar

[nouse4aname125]

KUTLESS SUCKS!!!

[scumfuc_69]

The reason none of those bands are punk is because
they go against everything punk is about. Kurt Cobain
was a huge punk fan, but he didn't play punk. MXPX
was on one of those "...is my anti-drug" commercials...
if they want to speak out against drugs, that's perfectly fine, but they did it on a government-sponsored TV ad. There is no such thing as pop-punk.
It's punk or it isn't...bottom line.

[scumfuc_69]

one more thing, your hairstyle or style of dress has nothing at all to do with what kind of person you
are; it's just an image!

[playboypunk182]

hold up u dumb mother ***ers except the ones who agreed with the guy who wrote this obviously u all arnt ounk because if u were ud relise that punk is being the oppisite of some one else u just dont like the music how many ppl didnt like the pistols but like rancid and how many ppl liked deftones and not other bands its not the music that makes them punk its the way they present them selfs. do u really think blink gives a shit if u like them ???? no they just write there music. and u say its pop punk because its popular so what a band cant be punk and some one actually likes there music give me a ***ing break first off as a a bassist drummer and guitarist in 4 bands of my own u need to klnow how hard it is to make a living off that shit and then once u get signed that aint shit u have all this work to do after wrads u have to fricken have catchy songs so ppl like u. here put ur selfs in there shoes: ONE GUY SAYS/ hey lets write a song OTHER GUYS SAY/ sure RECORD LAbel says wow what a great song lets play it on the radio.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH MY FUCKING GOD PPL LIKE IT>>>>>> ALOT OF THEM OH SHIT IGUESS WERE NOT PUNK NE MORE. *** u mother ***ers go eat a ***ing uge piece of shit maybe then u can call ur self punk for being diff u ass ***s

[stone_misery]

none of the new bands are punk, to listen to punk music you gotta dive back to the sex pistols, the misfits, ramones, clash, (nirvana is grunge, not punk), the meatmen. i've never seen a true punk rocker with enough money to buy a car, let alone put stickers on one, or patches on a backpack. but good luck with you "punk" lifestyle

[kryptonite22]

Great, another punk debate. Let it be what you want, stop telling other people what "punk is". Who cares anymore?

[ckythc]

First off people make fun of Blink, simple plan, G.C., and Yellow card because they sux0r. Now about the whole punk thing, there are very few punks left in the world. Punk was a movement, a lifestyle, a revolution. Then it became trendy. Most real Punks dropped out in the late 80's because they got sick of it becoming popular. The music you listen to doesn't make you a punk, the clothes and hairstyles don't make you a punk, what makes you a punk is the attitude you have and the outlook you've taken on life.

[chevellerox2005]

why wont people just let others have their own opinions?

[bucky_2300]

Well, hate to break it to you, but the bands you are listening to are largely categorized on UG as "phillywack9", or "bad pop-punk", good pop-punk being The Descendents and Replacements. Listening to MxPx and blink and listening to T.S.O.L and The Vandals is very different. Dead Kennedys and GC are very different. Punk has something to stand for. Punk is political and social dissatisfaction. Not songs about girls. Everybody has a different definition of punk, and people insist they are, largely because you can buy the punk style at Hot Topic, and it's popular today. Punk doesn't require a line of clothing. Heck, look at the guys from Minor Threat. They don't wear any crazy studs, they wear jeans and t-shirts.
Esentially, this seemed like a rant to protect you from punks looking at you and telling you that your music is not punk rock.

[311DEF]

doesnt matter what kind of music they play.IT IS ALL BAD MUSIC THAT IS BEING FED BY TEENAGERS THAT HAVE NEVER HEARD ANY MUSIC THAT IS BETTER. OPEN YOUR EARS AND LISTEN TO SOME BANDS THAT HAVE SOUL.

[ever and a day]

im getting sick of these articles
although this one was better than most.

punk is different than punk rock.
and many of the bands that were mentioned in the article (blink, gc etc..) aren't punk rock
and that was a stupid move to mention them in this cause now you've got a bunch of kids freakin out and whining about how you can't be punk if you listen to them.
i really don't care if they sell out, or if people won't think i'm a punk if i happen to like those bands

i dont like them cause i think they suck.

people have to stop labeling music so much. i know that some labels are necessary but people have gone overboard.
just listen to the music you like.
dress how you want
nobody really cares.

[DMRocks_SOAD]

stop bashing System of a Down. Serj is a good singer; and they write great songs with meanings.

[Horneyman71]

Yo kids, calm down. I find it funny how pissed off you can get from an article on a website. Who cares what genre something is defined as, if u like listening to the music then listen to it. Seriously wtf is up with everyone gettin so angry, do some drugs, get calmed down

[bass_player15]

Punk is an attitude. not a stance. i can be dressed in a business suit and still be punk. its all about how u think

[bass_player15]

o by the way i am not punk. nor will i ever be. i am a full out rocker b!tch

[MyNameBeMikal]

I listen to punk music, but you cant be punk, punk as a characteristic of a person died, get over it.

[smell_my_cheese]

what i dont understand is, you probably spent over an hour writing that article trying to define punk, and you also probably realise that you are gonna be called a dick, an idiot and heavily criticised by most people who read this. so what i'm trying to say here is, WHAT WAS THE FUCKING POINT IN WRITING THIS ARTICLE?!!!!!!

[HurleyPunk]

ok all you dumb mother ***ers ranting that punk has nothing to do with music and is all "attitude"...can go *** them selves...and I bet you money that most of these people who listen to ?punk? aren?t ***in anarchist or atheist...Punk is all about the music and most of all u ***ers gotta stop living in the 80's...welcome to the twentieth century bitch...

[EpitaphMan440]

http://badreligion.com/news/essays.php?id=5

Read that. That pretty well defines punk. Greg Graffin is the most intelligent punk you will find. His PhD is in Evolutionary Biology... so i do not doubt is abilities.

[LastoBethLammen]

Punk dont excist anymore.
Nobody of u knows what punk is !!
And by the way The word punk cant change
If i call myself rocker and about 20 years the word rocker is used for weedsmoker that aint right ok? so stop living in the twentieth century caus if u want to be punk go 20 years back

[ever and a day]

i agree with MrLucky77713
Punk isn't a ***ing country club

[Brand Nizzle182]

you are only punk if you eat at least 5 nuggets of your own poop per week

[ILIKEMUSICALOT]

heshmen:
dude you can't call yourself a punk if you listen to fallout boy or ***in blink 182. The hell is wrong with you.
[POSTED: 28 June 2004 - 12:26]|

YOU SIR, ARE A FUCKING DUMBASS. HE EVEN CLAIMED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE ARTICLE THAT HE NEVER LABELED HIMSELF PUNK. YOU CAN LISTEN TO ANY PUNK BAND YOU WANT AND BE PUNK. MUSIC DOESN'T MAKE YOU ANYTHING, DUMBASS.

egor:
oh dammit dude , u cant call yourself a punk just because of music , and if u dont care that you are not punk so why to write this article ???? lol and from all the listed bands only nofx is punk , even thought i love blink182 , i know they dont write punk since dude ranch ... well go out and listen to some older stuff like social distortion , exploited , sex pistols , maybe ramones ...
and theres one more thing to say (it doesnt change alot , just my opinion) : there are 2 ways of selling out : 1 to make a music just to get $$ (like all the rap/pop which is the same thing nowadays) , 2 is to make a great music and get paid for it (like metallica , blink 182 , ) u can not to sell out , but then , only people from your town/state(in a good case) will hear you
and yeah ,,,, man yellowcard sucks ......
[POSTED: 28 June 2004 - 13:44]|

BLINK IS PUNK, ANYTHING WITH FUCKING POWER CHORDS AND PALM MUTED POWER CHORDS ON AN 8TH RHYTHM IS PUNK. I LIKE PUNK BUT PEOPLE LIKE YOU GUYS PISS ME OFF. PUNK IS A SOUND. NOT LYRICS, NOT A WAY. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT REAL PUNK IS AND I SURE AS HELL DON'T. WHY GO OUT AND CRITICIZE SOMEONE WHEN YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT REAL PUNK IS? I BET YOU DIDN'T GROW UP DURING THE BEGINNING OF PUNK SO LET IT GO. PUNK IS JUST A STYLE OF MUSIC NOWADAYS AND IT'S OK BECAUSE I SURE AS HELL LIKE IT AND I'M GUESSING MILLIONS OF OTHERS DO BECAUSE THESE BANDS ARE ENJOYING A SHITLOAD OF MONEY FROM THEM.

[praise2hendrix]

Theres 2 types of punk, punk music and the punk attitude like in this article. Now if you really want to break it down you can get into poppy punk and all the other break offs nowadays. But those are just styles of music. Real punk is an attitude towards society that you dont care what they think and your going to do whatever the hell you want dress however the hell you like no matter what people think. It all started in the 70s in Britain and the bands with these attidudes followed. Bands like Blink and Story of Year are a punk style of music, but they are not true punk.

[Cookie_master]

youre dumb, punk is like being yourself. not the way you dress and there defenitly NO rules for it. waste your time on something else....

[JamesV]

...did anybody else noticed how the author only talked about newer punk bands, not the original stuff like Sex Pistols, Ramones etc? Punk was originally about being against the system. Now it seems to be about skateboarding, getting stoned and whining about an ex-girlfriend.

[backup and lead]

Good Charlotte's Boys And Girls had inspired me too

it got me into less mainstream punk then i had learnt how to play good music

[garagerocker69]

*stands up*


*claps*

[CobainWorship]

Punk is so hipocritical. Who gives a shit what someone's musical tastes are, as long as that person doesnt try to act like a fake because of the style of music(a.k.a. Gangster Wannabes, Punk wannabes(most "punks.") I dont care if someone wears a blue, long-sleeved button up t-shirt, tucked into their tight slacks with dress shoes and a tie, if they don't care what others think about them, they are punk. Punk wasn't about listening to certain music or dressing a certain way. Anyone who says someone isn't a punk, needs to question themselves. Since when the hell are you supposed to care about what others say or do? I wear pants,have medium-long hair(shaggy), a t-shirt with writing in black marker, and almost always a plaid overshirt. Am I not punk because I don't wear muscle shirts with patches and get a mohawk? I don't claim to be punk. I listen to the Beatles,Nirvana(of course),Rolling Stones, ACDC, Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Ramones, etc. What am I classified as? Please someone tell me...am I not punk? Am I not punk because I am not conforming to a "non-conformist" style or taste? That's right, you "non-conformists" are still conforming. Please tell me what I am classified as though.

[Iron-Maiden-fan]

Why the F*** are you guys bashing the dude? he has alot of good points, didnt you read it the damn thing its about not critisizing people for the type of music they lisne to.

[CobainWorship]

I am talking about the retards bashing him...I have nothing against the author.

[Iron-Maiden-fan]

sorry not talken bout you

[music_49]

being a punk is not about how you dress or what kind or braclets you have on or how much make-up you have on. To make yourself look a certain way is not punk!!! Its so f***ing retarded how people listen to bands and then dress like themn just to be ''punk'' Punk is a type of music not a fashion statment! Punk music is mucis that is different! if you found a deffinition of punk in the dictionary it will probly say out of place or trouble maker, the type of music depends on where it fits in , there is pop, rap, jazz, ex.... but punk is different than pop and rap are a pair and jazz and and blues are the 2 that fit together the most like them and punk is original! its not something to be worn or acted its a music genra you cant be a punk if you dress like your fav. punk band! Its stupid how the word punk is now so comercialized that you have to wear something to be involved in the ''punk music'' phase and not be actually playing in a punk band playing the original music that comes from your creative music vibes. f*** stop trying to be punks and act like yurself!!!!

[TOMWAITSRULES]

System of a Down, now they write some of the worst songs I?ve ever heard and have the worst singer ever.

dude u are a ***ing moron. SOAD is more political and wise than ***ing blink 182. they are one of the few bands today who actually hold fast to their beliefes and play what they feel is true. you are a ***ing idiot. you need to check your facts man. ans Serj has a ***ing awesome voice.

[atc228]

nicely dun, but just one thing, about pink floyd,
they wernt going "against the man"
when syd was there they wer psychadelic, but the waters took over and he made them about himself and anti war, but good job

[dmasterfunk]

"f*** stop trying to be punks and act like yurself!!!!" thank you music_49!! finally. who cares if your punk or not, listen to music u like and defend it. i love blink and i dont care what genre they are or if they are punk or not. their music is still good. same goes for "punk" disputed bands. anyway, dress how u want,do what u want, listen to what u want, not just to try to fit into a club called "punk".

[letsgomurphys06]

thank god there are kids in here who say "yeah punk sucks" and then try to tell us what it is. Why do you people insist on coming into something you don't want to read about and commenting "PUNK SUX METAL ROX". Get a life you twats.

Yeah, this article was terrible. If you're so interested in people stop judging other people on how "punk" they are, then you should quit preaching and whining about how you like shitty bands and people make fun of you.

So I'm going to do this right now-

punk

a performer (or enthuiast) of punk rock [syn: punk rocker] 5: rock music with deliberately offensive lyrics expressing anger and social alienation

from dictionary.com.

Do Yellowcard Blink or GC say anything deliberatley offensive to get their point across? No. They are too afraid of bad publicity. That's what makes bands punk and bands not.

NOW SHUT THE HELL UP

[letsgomurphys06]

and CobainWorship:

Did I just understand you as saying the Beatles,Nirvana(of course),Rolling Stones, ACDC, Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Ramones as being punk? You listen to nirvana and you think you can tell people what punk music is? Go to hell. Cobain might have listened to punk music as a kid, but that didn't make his music punk, by any standards. Believe me, I went through my Cobain Fanatic stage in earlier years, and I have read to this day 3 books about him. You know nothing of what you speak.

[tyler larsen]

i say we arent punk..

[bc2skaterpunk]

nice article! finally someone i can relate to

[JimmyPage1969]

Punk is what makes you different, so technically, listening to "pop-punk" or mainstream punk or whatever is popular does not make you punk. Listening to completely different stuff makes you punk, so if your school is overridden by "pop-punk" and hip-hop kids and you listen to classic rock or whatever. Actually, music started punk and you dont even need to listen to a different kind of music to be punk. It may just be being a badass or a nice guy. The music is just a way of letting people know about how you are punk. Guns 'N Roses were punk because of the in-your-face we-don't-give-a-*** attitude that the bands of that time just didn't have. Anybody who says punk is just music is an complete and total idiot. Most of you probably wont agree with me, but i started playing guitar because of punk before it was popular, before the GC was wearing all black clothes because they were told to, before Blink started writing "emo" songs, when I only knew one person who liked Yellowcard. "Pop-punk" is a phase that MTV needed to find for something new. A phase like adolenscense that is hard to go through, but when it's over, everything is better. And hopefully, that's soon...

[CobainWorship]

No...I didn't say the Beatles,Nirvana,Rolling Stones, ACDC, Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, and the Ramones were punk. I am just saying that people who listen ONLY to a certain style of music, e.g. Hardcore Punk, are major conformists. You need to get a variety of music, or else you won't have a very open mind on good music.

[metalmassacre]

dudes i know this chick who went from 7th grade likng backstreet boys biggest fan to 8th likng blink 182 to 9th being a hardcore punk how fast she changed :o

[An80sAbortion]

WHO F*CKING CARES! SHUT UP ALL OF YOU! GOD DAMN! GET OVER THESE F*CKING LABELS AND SH*T! STOP ARGUING ABOUT IT "BEING ABOUT THE MUSIC" OR THE "ATTITUDE" OR THE "MEANING"! IT DOES NOT MATTER! BE HAPPY WITH THE FACT THAT NOTHING ABOUT IS ACTUALLY IMPORTANT!

[Ibanez_PIp]

U darn punks!!! get off my lawn ya hear!!!

[AnnaPlaysGuitar]

This article was pointless... it obviously led us nowhere. It just started some more whiney arguments over what real "punk" music is. Get over it. There is no such thing as "real punk." JUST LISTEN TO MUSIC THAT GIVES YOUR EARS PLEASURE, DAMNIT. Don't even think about the genre, how cool it is, etc.

[kyzar]

nouse4aname125: Look at Simple Plan's Perfect. And Good Charlotte crap on about their dad in one of the songs on their album apparently.

I don't really give a crap about the dressing like a punk side of things - all I can say is Blink, GC, Simple Plan, Sum 41 and all that are not real rock bands and it's really sad that all they young kids when they first hear them think they are the most hardcore and rockin bands in the world. All of you GET OVER THEM and listen to real rock bands like AC/DC, Nirvana and Guns and Roses. Or if you want recent examples from today - The Darkness, Silverchair and Powderfinger.

[busted_chick]

I thought this was an awesome article! I myself am a big fan of bands like yellowcard, simple plan, blink etc. I'm not saying im a "punk rocker." I also really love bands like nirvana, placebo, silverchair and AC/DC.
PUNK IS OVER. nowadays, its just rock, or mainstream pop rock.
suck that.

[deadkenedy]

Who says you are punk ? This will never end, everyone can go listen and be whoever they want, do it because you like it do it to be cool i really dont care.

[deadkenedy]

And why did you say "that deep purple song" does the name baffle you or were you going for effect ?

[ranthax]

punk is many things. the end

[noob4lyfe]

ShoeLaces907:
As someone famous once said, punk's not dead, it's just at K-Mart. And completely irrelevant.

Rofl, it's at K-Mart now?! ;x

[noob4lyfe]

kyzar:
AC/DC, Nirvana and Guns and Roses.

Good bands, man

[Viv*d-kid]

Who really gives a flying Fu*k what people class as punk? Pepole will always have different opinions on the situation and you'll always have conflict so.... I for one am a big fan of NEW FOUND GLORY, Simple Plan, Good Charlotte, sum 41, The All-American rejects, Sugarcult and blink. So go ahead and judge me/us. We'll keep on listening to what we like and dressing how ever the Fu*k we want and fu*k the rest of you. So talk sh*t behind my back and judge me on how I look or do whatever it is you do.
Dose that make me punk? Who cares? I sure as hell don't. Or dose it have somthing to do with how many tattos I have or how I wear my hat? Or maybe it's how many beeds I can stuff up my arm? My point? People will dress the way they want and listen to what ever they want to listen to. And to look at someone and judge them as 'punk' because of these things..... Dude...? Small minded. And selling out? WHAT THE FU*K!???? Do you think your better than me because you like a band that only a minority has heard about? What is that all about? No sireus, somone please tell me. The whole reson I picked up a guitar is to learn these riffs and try and play like some of my fave bands.... SO....?

[Blackbullet]

*yawn*
you must be a poser if you care what you are classified as.

[Ddevil]

dude you are gay. why did u bother to write this article.

[AusFender911]

why the *** would u want to be punk anyway? i mean all it does guitarwise is limit your playing ability to powerchords. If you're in a "punk" band, as soon as u get a label or start making money you arent "punk" anymore, you're simply selling out. Oh and Kyzar you've earned my respect. Those bands are great but its awesome to see Powderfinger get some credit

[atc228]

ya know all of u ppl are making me hungry, hungry for pie

[atc228]

apple pie

[atc228]

o and another thing, how come if there is something someone doesnt like they call it gay? thas not very nice now is it? why should gay ppl have to be stuk with all the bad stuff?
one more thing, on the "punk" topic, i dont like just punk, ill stik with my clapton(all the bands he was in), zeppelin, pinkfloyd, bb king, and all of the other bands with kick ass guitarists (also queen, Brian May has a sweet guitar and knows how to use it)

[sixstingplayer]

Yellowcard and Good Charolette aren't punk they are in the category what i call pussy rock. Now there are alot of ban ds in there such as Hoobastank and Incubus is turning into one. What makes them pussy rock when all your fan base is mostly made up of girls and they think they should dress like you. You have become a pussy rock band.

[playonforever]

punk is music that doesnt attract everyone. Punk is music that not everyone can relate with. Punk is music that pisses alot of people of just when they here it. Punk is dewing things differently. Some bands that are all over the radio now are punk. They started out with someting different and it took a while for everyone to turn on to them. Punks bands are bands that dont have mainstream bands as influences. They took a new idea, and then commercialized it. GC is a good deal different than some of the punks bands out there. They tune down for one thing. They suck in my eyes but they dew do things a little differently. more later. SWEDEN RULES! LATER DAYS BEN

[felixpotvin86]

PUNK ISN'T ABOUT MUSIC STYLE...punk from its inception in some very alternative forms in the late 60's was about standing up to our near fascist establishments, through music or anyother communications pertaining to it, being interviews or radio shows. We had the anti-authority Doors who would swear on tv because they understood it was bullshit to be censored just like it wa sjust now...(ps. i know the doors arent a punk band in the common sense but they held very similar ideals). With the Clash and Sex Pistols it was turning thhe world to a mirror and saying "look you ***ing assholes we are killing, raping, stealing, and abusing eachother so badly, lets ***ing quit it already and act decent and quit suckholing to rightwing fascist adolph hitler loving cu-nts. That's what punk is, its not necessarily the sound ...you could sing a ***ing piano ballad and talk about social injustice and stand up to the rich mans system and that would be punk. Todays "punk" is pop because their singing about the same shit ABBA would sing about or the beegee's its pure bullcrap "boys loves girl"/"girl hates me"/"my suburban life sucks"...it has nothing to do with rebellion for a purpose to overthrow the right wing nazis that run the world its bubble gum lyrics...as the Ramones put it "beat on the brat with a baseball bat"....that seems likely to be what punk is....

[tragik]

I say we all should unite against bands like the Strokes, The Vines, The Killers, The Libertines, The Hives, The White Stripes, and any band with "The" in the title, because they suck

[ILIKEMUSICALOT]

AusFender911:
why the *** would u want to be punk anyway? i mean all it does guitarwise is