Christian Rock: A Vital Music

A while ago, there was a small article on Christian music posted on this site. I, like many, read it. It was short, and had no real arguments for or against Christian music. I read a few of the replies, most of them along the lines of ‘if the music is good, so be it, but this whole ‘God’ thing is not for me.’ There were a few Christ-haters that voiced their opinion, and of course the view that there are no absolutes, therefore you may not push your view on me because it may not be ‘true’ to me. Those statements are self-refuting in their own right and I won’t go into detail on them. But the question still stands: what is the deal with ‘Christian’ music? Are they just altar boys trying to ‘spread the Word’ on MTV or are they punks with a Purpose?

First of all, there is no such thing as ‘Christian’ music. Music is just noise. What the focus is on, then, is the lyrics. The vocalists’ style has nothing to do with divinity, God or the Resurrection. It is what those words are that make the song. There is no neutral ground in this world. There is God, and there is Not God, to put it squarely. You can not write a song that neither curses nor praises God. ‘Well, what about love songs?’ God Is love to Christians, therefore love songs are ‘encouraged’ in the Christian sphere of influence. Yes, even boy-meets-girl songs can be ‘Christian’, if they celebrate love in the context of the Bible. Songs that glorify illicit sex or cheating, ugly breakups, etc. are not Christian. Songs that condemn those actions could be, however. (If this is too complicated, I’m sorry).

Second, Christian artists don’t try to stuff religion down your throats. You are just trying to make yourself think they are (because, ironically, a lot of what they have to say makes sense). The person who wrote this article’s predecessor mentioned a ban called ‘Demon Hunter’. They have some pretty brutal stuff, and they scream Christianity in your face, but they are not forcing it down your throat. Yes, they have a few turn-or-burn songs, they bash other metal acts for their ‘foolish words’ in their song ‘Annihilate The Corrupt’ (from the album ‘Summer of Darkness'), but they don’t force religion on you. They are speaking from experience, not proclaiming that they are right and you are wrong.

I noticed someone said that Christian music is not welcome on the hardcore/metal scene because it ‘isn’t rebellious’. On the contrary, Christians are radicals! They are weird people, my friend! They are anything but compliant. They follow the biggest radical in the history of the world: Jesus Christ. If you saw The Passion, you probably wondered ‘What would possess a man to do such a thing in the face of torture and death?’ Christians are supposed to love. What is more radical than that? They are rebelling against sin and evil, the most powerful forces on this planet. While, often, Christians do not portray a very accurate silhouette of their Lord, they are supposed to love. Christian music is plenty controversial and rebellious, my friend.

Thus, to conclude, Christian music is not a group of untalented Gaither-wannabes, but a vital and thriving industry that changes lives through music. From Stryper throwing Bibles to the crowd to P.O.D. taking the Gospel to the streets, CCM is very much alive and well in the world today. I would not advise underestimating this Jesus Freak generation.

Comments

[arelt89]

Q: Is Christian music a powerful new breed that could change a generation?
A: Nope

[Melchior]

and this is another reason why christian anything is a bad idea... jesus is a cunt

[$hab]

No, he was just a travelling magician, bringing cheesy laughs to some.

[iliketaskate]

well written. i dont belive much in god or listen to christan muisic, but what i dont understand is why do people have to bash anthing that they dont belive in.

[$hab]

Cos I'm just that shallow...

[$hab]

The majority of Religious people: The world's biggest terroists, apart from the government.

[RatiugLink]

That wasn't really an article, that was just voicing your opinion about Christian rock.

iliketaskate:

"well written. i dont belive much in god or listen to christan muisic, but what i dont understand is why do people have to bash anthing that they dont belive in."

I'm not trying to "bash" Christianity, but dispite what this article said, Christians DO force religion on people. Many of my Christian friends keep trying to convert me, because I'm wrong. When the pilgrims came to the "New World" as it was called, they killed Native Americans who wouldn't convert to Christianity (and often killed them anyway, how Christianly of them!). Don't tell me the ideas of Christianity aren't being forced. You don't know what it feels like to have those ideas forced on you.

"Second, Christian artists don?t try to stuff religion down your throats. You are just trying to make yourself think they are (because, ironically, a lot of what they have to say makes sense). The person who wrote this article?s predecessor mentioned a ban called ?Demon Hunter?. They have some pretty brutal stuff, and they scream Christianity in your face, but they are not forcing it down your throat. Yes, they have a few turn-or-burn songs, they bash other metal acts for their ?foolish words? in their song ?Annihilate The Corrupt? (from the album ?Summer of Darkness'), but they don?t force religion on you. They are speaking from experience, not proclaiming that they are right and you are wrong."

That entire paragraph was contradictory. I haven't heard the band, but from what you said, it sounds like their lyrics are something along the lines of:
"Sex, drugs, and rock n' roll is not the way to go. Burn in hell dirty bastard!"
So if you want to be technical, they aren't quite shoving Christianity down our throats, they've actually got a knife to our throats, telling us to swallow it.

[peilun]

hey i'm a christian....
i don't care what you say about us..
we are what we are and we are not terorist and our lord is not a cunt whoever said that..
just show some respect for my religion and *** off!

[RatiugLink]

I am not condoning disrespect from Christians or against Christians.

[$hab]

RatiugLink; you tell it how it is. If you're not a terroist peilun, then you're obviously the minority. constructive opinion and theory is all this is. You take life too seriously.

[Backup Guitar]

What about the band Pure Silence, who's aim is to carry a hopeful message to the 'sinful' youth of the world? I bet they think they're better than me because they're preaching away...

Whatever. This article really lacked something. Work on the writing skills.

[Pagerot]

$hab: You can never take life too seriously. That's the most stupid thing I've ever heard.

[$hab]

I've never even heard of that band, they probably suck.

[cold_static544]

This article is not that "serious" enough, you don't have enough arguments to support your stand. But I'm like whatever, with Christian rock. Its a kinda historical and sociological bias. I'll get less flak in the rock scene if I sing about Buddha than about Jesus.

Cos think of Jesus, you're thinking of the crusades and all that shit. But Buddha, is like some peace-loving guy on the top of the hill, helping people achieve enlightinment. But there's a kinda bias towards christianity, and some of this bias is self-inflicted.

Like christians being bigoted, imposing their religion, and not seeing things in an objective manner. But somewhat, western society is biased towards christianity as a whole. Imo, christianity is a nice religion without the christians.

[ultradogfromhel]

christians dont blow up building and hijack planes

[Lord_Xian]

your getting it all wrong, christians are ok, as 'ok' as any religious person can be, its bloody muslims that are the terrorists. Their religion -- "kill a christian. Win a prize" all we need is another crusade to kill them all. TO ARMS!!!

[shawn_cold]

Come on stop insulting Christianity or other religion.If you don't understand Christianity talk to a friend who knows,it will help you better understand the religion instead of insulting them or voicing so of your opions which might not be true.This is people's religion and it might hurt them by hearing all this I am sure you don't like people insulting your beliefs right?Ok I hope you will understand Christianity instead of insulting.

[Sucksatguitar]

no need to bash god, but i think christian music blows balls big time... i believe in god but did anyoen see teh sotuh park episode making fun of christian music??? cause if u havnt it prooves to the world how easy it is to write christian music.. everyone go find that south park episode o.0

[Sucksatguitar]

i notice some people got off track from the topic... is christian music good... not really but the religion is great .

[fozzy_5674]

Before you people insult christiansity, maybe you should find out what its all about. $hab, there are billions of christians in this world and very, very few of them condone any type of terrorist activity, and for the ones that do, they need to open up their bible and read up loving your neighbor.

As for the music itself, Demon Hunter, Zao, and dead poetic rock harder than many of the other bands out there. Listen to some of their stuff before you shun them because they're "christian rock"

[Unseen_hero]

ultradogfromhel:
christi
ans dont blow up building and hijack planes

you answered a stereotype with a stereotype. That makes you sound un-intelligent. From what i've experienced. Christians do preach as a matter of fact, and that's what i hate. I have one good christian friend who is not like that, he's just him and more christians should be that way instead of pressing their ideas on someone else. That's why we are individuals, we don't have to be the same.

[Saptor77]

i'm a christian. i listen to christian music, kutlas, switchfoot, deamon hunter, P.O.D., lost prophets, chevelle. all those guys.. its not that bad.. you guys should really concider becoming christians. its not as bad as you think.. its probley the best decesion you'll ever make in your life..

[Veno]

it won't change a generation or anything like that, it's jsut the other end of the scope. If you have death metal then there's certainly someone looking at it the other way and that's how we come on christian music.

Meh, it's nothing special. Alot of the "christian punk" bands ( only christianish music i've ever listened too) don't really force anything down your throat. They say something like "Jesus gave me a awake up call" or " I'm getting into god" (both examples from Relient K), and not so much of the " You ***ing better worship my god or i shalt smote you" kinda bs.

But hey that's jsut form what I've heard.

[Rocker3829]

good article, i like how you pointed out they are following the biggest rebel ever, Jesus, in the face of sin and death. great way to put it. I'm a christian though i've doubted it for a while and haven't been to church in a while(needs to go back) though you cannot underestimate the talent of some of these new bands.

12 stones, Eric their lead guitarist plays lead very well, P.O.D.- though they dont show it as much, but they have LS's old lead guitarist Jason Truby. and two of the best Christian metal bands ever, Zao and LIVING Sacrifice. You want some good heavy metal with real guitar not that nu-metal bs get some living sacrifice cds, though they broke up back in 02. You can really find some great bands in Christian music if you give it a chance

[Riot]

I believe that Christian music is a new breed. More and more bands are calling themselves Christians then ever before now. If they want to preach the gospel then let them preach through music. Nobody should put them down just b/c they talk about Jesus. They're just like any other band except they have a purpose, if one wants to listen to them fine. If not, just let them be.

[JoHNNERz]

I've had enough of this.
Show me one Christian rock song that says anyhting about
"convert or burn" or anyhtign of that nature, and I'll agree with all of you saying that Christian rock shoves religion down your throat.
Just one lyric.

[JoHNNERz]

And btw there is a massive bias against Christianity.
watch this:
"Jesus was a cunt"
"Buddha was a cunt, and so were Vishnu and Shiva and Allah"
No one cares that I say Jesus is a cunt, but insult anyone else's God and you might as well jumpoff a cliff.

[RatiugLink]

ultradogfromhel:
"chris
tians dont blow up building and hijack planes"

You're right. That's what Muslim extremists do. Christian extremists on the other hand lynch people who are different from them. And yes, the KKK are Christians. They are extremists, as are terrorists, but you cannot make it sound like Christians are the purist people on earth, no.

[RatiugLink]

Saptor77:
"i'm a christian. i listen to christian music, kutlas, switchfoot, deamon hunter, P.O.D., lost prophets, chevelle. all those guys.. its not that bad.. you guys should really concider becoming christians. its not as bad as you think.. its probley the best decesion you'll ever make in your life.."

The best decision I've made in my life was to become a non-Christian.

[SingingSabre]

*le sigh* Christian rock isn't for me. It's not for everyone...just those who like it.
Try shoving it down my through, though...that would be a big mistake.

My point is "between the lines" here.

P.S. I can't believe that he confused the Catholic movie "Passion" with a Christian article.

[gdawg3001]

im chirstian but i dont listen to the music. its just not the same as the regular stuff.

[pepsi_is_evil]

I listen to Slipknot. I'm what they call "HARDCORE!"

[janecoffin27]

I'm Christian, I'm tired of these cunts trying to say "Christians (or just religious people) are terrorists" or "All Christians try to force religion on you." There are some denominations that do that but you're just stereotyping people.

God kicks ass, but I don't really listen to Christian rock music.

[micha]

RocknRoll is, has been, and always will be the devils music, so keep "your lord" out of it. We like to sin, and it keeps us interested in living, so take your god and your cheesy, unimaginative motivational lyrics and lame song structure and *** off.

[Jerre]

Religion often stands close to violence...

[kapp]

6satan6rulz6

[frodoisdead]

I dont care about the 'christian' aspect. Its the music that counts. Give me a 12 Stones cd anyday

[EpitaphMan440]

6satan6rulz6

Your an idiot.

[Moog]

I agree. People smack Christians for what happened in the past. Remember that Christianity started off with a small group of 12 disciples. It was tiny. It was shouted down by the polytheistic religions of the day. People who joined Christianity were rebels, radicals, and died for their faiths. Heck, St. Peter was crucified upside down. All 12 of the disciples died gruesome deaths for their Lord. When you guys bash Christianity, don't forget that Bible-thumpers and extremists came after the sacrifices of the first few believers. The KKK proclaim to be Christian, but I believe them to be a cult like the Mormons and JWs. They twist the pure Word of God for their own reasons. After this post, I suspect I will get many bashing posts, with comments like "Jesus is a cunt" "@@#$ u man" or "You're all trying to shove religion down our throats." Sometimes, I feel like the endtimes are coming. People are blind to the fact that they support the majority when they go against Christianity. I mean, just look at all these threads here. More than half of the threads are anti-Christians. You guys are all just bandwagon-jumpers. Once again, Christianity has been pushed into silence by New Age (reminiscent of the polytheistic religions which were all around at Christianity's founding). This probably seems kinda garbled right now, but then again, I'm writing this 2 hours before my grad ceremony starts. Don't hate Christianity, just show love. If you can't stand Christians, show love toward them. It'll change them and you. If you hate Christians, how different are you than those who hate non-Christians or minorities (i.e. KKK)?

[6strung]

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS CHRISTIAN MUSIC!!!!!!!!

[Encore_God]

Music is just noise.

Clearly the music you listen to is devoid of soul, passion and true emotion.

And you only listed two bands in there.

To add to that, 'Christian Rock' is an oxymoron.

[blackwater786]

im frickin sick of hearing P.O.D. mentioned in every article about christian music. They don't represent anything about christian music potential. Bands like project 86, extol, living sacrifice, killswitch engage, and shadows fall all have positive lyrics and sick music. Everyone should especially check out extol - they have some of the most amazing technical guitar paying ive ever heard. ok...thats all

[Pig]

I don't have anything against people that choose to be Christian, but why would I want to listen to "Christian Music" if there is "non-Christian Music" that is so much better?

Believe it or not, I know plenty of people who actually buy CDs because they are Christian and "have a good message". Seems sad to me that anyone can sing about some religion and have fans because of it. Face it, if you're a Christian band, you've got a somewhat garuanteed fan base. I mean, if you're preaching what all these Christians want you to preach, they're going to like you, it's that simple.

Honestly, every time I hear someone rave about a "hit" Christian song, it always ends up being some "god saved me" type song with absolutely no lyrical ability or musical talent being showcased.

Get back to me when there's Christian music that comes with a whole damn bucket of rock, because I'm sure as hell not going to listen to something just because it loves the Christian God.

[blackwater786]

also all you dumbass mtv whores talking about song structures and lyrics dont know what the hell your talking about. I'd just like to say - Korn, Slipknot, Limp Bizkit, Papa Roach, Disturbed, Coal Chamber, Orgy, and anything else remotely along those lines sucks ass. Try some real metal out qweers.

[Burn in hell]

There is absolutly nothing wrong with christians, they just have no clue what their talking about. And every time a discussion about God arises they have to look up a 2000 year old quote and pretend to know what it means.

You should treat a christian the same way you treat an 87 year old autistic person with alszheimers.

[matthew]

We have a definete clue on what we are talking about. We are found...never lost. History (i.e. the bible) is one of the greatest tools known to man..it helps keep us from making the same mistakes twice. Christianity changes lives, and it can change a generation. People only need to give up their perverted attitudes that bash christ and just accept him because he doesnt' care who you are, he showed the greatest love of all for all of mankind, giving up his own life, on his own accord. Not many would do that in the world today. Look at Christ not as a crutch, but as the whole stretcher, he takes your life and makes it good. Many who've posted here should read into that a little bit. You might like it!

[blackwater786]

^^right on^^

[mexicankornfan]

christian music????? who want to rock out to this????

[Burn in hell]

matthew:
We have a definete clue on what we are talking about. We are found...never lost. History (i.e. the bible) is one of the greatest tools known to man..it helps keep us from making the same mistakes twice. Christianity changes lives, and it can change a generation. People only need to give up their perverted attitudes that bash christ and just accept him because he doesnt' care who you are, he showed the greatest love of all for all of mankind, giving up his own life, on his own accord. Not many would do that in the world today. Look at Christ not as a crutch, but as the whole stretcher, he takes your life and makes it good. Many who've posted here should read into that a little bit. You might like it!

I dont hate Christ, I hate you. You judge people on what you think is right, and believe 3/4 of the world is going to hell because many believe (like myself), that it's not what religion you hail from, but your own spiritual connection with God and Christ, Not the influence of naive idiots who think they are greater then others because of their own translations of what their taught. I dont think people in this day and age can interpret the bible. And it is too sensitive of a subject to discuss especialy in a place like this.

[maynard schism]

christian rock sucks my big cock.

[Paroxysm]

For whoever said that Chevelle is a christian band is an idiot... And Christian music just isn't the type of music I want to listen to anyway (or anything that praise the Lord!)

[DonFelipe]

Ah you see? Mention religion in the slightest and everyone just flips out! This is old... There's the people making the statements, there's the people who are offended by it and there's the people who don't knwo what to think. Every little demented point will be made and flipped around by the other side, such as christian bands atuomatically have a fan base, which makes little sense becasue devil worshipping and christian hating bands have the same thing, because people relate to them. Thats why we listen to the words in songs...so we can relate to them.
I think we've really lost track of what we're talking about here, and that my friends is Christian ROCK. There are two kinds of this topic of interest. There is the crazy pioneering music, that I am yet to hear from any other branch of hte music industry, of nashing metal riffs, and basically, insanely different music. Such music was first brought about by Zao. If you like any of today's proclaimed "metal" (I shudder at the thought of some bands) you will probably like Zao. Other bands you should check out are Dead Poetic, The Nodes, Starflyer56, 22Idaho, the list goes on... but anyways, Some of these bands incooperate into their music things that have never been done Yes, I'm a Christian. I'm also in a "non-Christian" or whatever else you wanna label us band, meanign simply we don't sing about God all the time. Is there influences of God and the like in our music? Of course, simply because God is a part of my life, and life is what we use to make music. I was showing some guitarring techniques that i had picked up from this so called "new breed" of music (this is what its called since they havent come up with a name yet) to the other guitarist in my band, he really liked them. Its good music!
The secodn type is that, that you often hear on Christian radio stations. Yes, the lame lil soft rock music that none of us youngsters apprieciate. I dont like it more then the next person, but that doesnt make it bad music. That goes for ANY music, just cuz we dont like Kenny G, doesnt mean hes not good music... (i guess ) Also, just because our metalheads and these softies may be singign about the same thing, does not make them much alike. Its like a Jazz singer and a rapper both singing about love.

The point is that Christian rock can indeed be good. Listen to it if you like it, and dont if you dont. Its just like any other music. Listen to bands and continue to do so to the oens you like. Just becasue they are devoted to God, doesnt knock their talent as musicians. We all have our problems with the world, and we all experience hate, but let's not let it interfere with music.

Music is an art, and art of expression. With all the prejudices against religions and religious bands there are out there, we may be losing oen of the most beautiful things we've left in humanity...and trust me, there arent many left.

[Burn in hell]

Christianity is a cult. Go get raped by a priest.

[csamgo]

church is a hoax....they get u 2 go 2 this "holy" place 2 pray and give them ur money cuz they don't make ne income....its bull shit...what makes a church more holy 2 pray at then the likes of ur own home....religion its self is a hoax everybody should abandon relgion and not waste there time givin money 2 poor beggers like that of the church

[Burn in hell]

"I'm a theif, I'm a Liar, Theirs my church I sing in the choir. (Hellelujah!)"
- Eddie Vedder

[csamgo]

one more thing christian rock is stupid...what exactly makes it christian rock?....nirvana talks bout god in the song lithium in the first verse...does that make it a christian song?....they have a song off of unplugged wit the jesus in the title....its still nto christian rock

[6slip6knot6]

this article was ok. but some christian rock, actually alot of it (reffering to the music part) does suck. nothing wrong with the religion because thats what i am, but i just dont like the majority of the music. i do like pod alot though.

[13JimmyPage13]

I am a christian. I don't want to force something down your throat, I really would rather not if you don't want to be religious , it's fine with me. I will say though that I as a christian should not be blamed for the mistakes of the the early settlers and kings of Europe. That's exactly like blaming a jew for his/her ancestors killing Jesus or blaming a Muslim for 9/11. So the question is who do you blame? the answer, no one. It is not your fault nor the church's that someone is acting out in such a radical way. Csamgo I would like to say that not all churchs are payed for by there members lots of churchs are payed for by the city. Also you may think that all we do is pray, but in a church we work on plans to improve the world, on sending people to foreign lands like Africa and South America to help improve the economy. I once read a book written by a man determined to prove christianity wrong he spent six long years traveling the globe, analyzing scripture, and interveiwing christians. After six years he ended up becoming a christian himself. So before you judge us I dare you read the bible and know why we are what we are before you critisize are beliefs.

[Burn in hell]

6slip6knot6

6slip6knot6 - slipknot= 666

nothing wrong with the religion because thats what i am

IRONIC??

[im not mental]

I don't care about the lyrics, just as long as it's really heavy. so i like some christian music like POD. (3 DAYS!!!!!!)

[im not mental]

"we from the school, the school of hard knox, who's ready to rock? (READY TO ROCK!) are you ready to rock? (READY TO ROCK!) round'n up suckaz, knock'em, knock'em out the box"

[Alt3Rethos]

for god so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son. that whoever believes in him shall have everlasting life john 3:16


anyways christian rock has a very positive message and they portray gods love openly but thats just my opinion

[~King_Of_Foolz~]

and the stereotypes come out a rollin'

[13JimmyPage13]

stereotypes suck

[RatiugLink]

Encore_God:
"To add to that, 'Christian Rock' is an oxymoron."

Hey, I remember posting that before. Did you remember me saying "Christian rock is an oxymoron"?

[crackdaddycaine]

I am a christian. I don't want to force something down your throat, I really would rather not if you don't want to be religious , it's fine with me. I will say though that I as a christian should not be blamed for the mistakes of the the early settlers and kings of Europe. That's exactly like blaming a jew for his/her ancestors killing Jesus or blaming a Muslim for 9/11. So the question is who do you blame? the answer, no one. It is not your fault nor the church's that someone is acting out in such a radical way. Csamgo I would like to say that not all churchs are payed for by there members lots of churchs are payed for by the city. Also you may think that all we do is pray, but in a church we work on plans to improve the world, on sending people to foreign lands like Africa and South America to help improve the economy. I once read a book written by a man determined to prove christianity wrong he spent six long years traveling the globe, analyzing scripture, and interveiwing christians. After six years he ended up becoming a christian himself. So before you judge us I dare you read the bible and know why we are what we are before you critisize are beliefs.---13JimmyPage13




the same thing happened to some of my friends, there were 2 of them, and they werent into the religeon at all and we'd always just make fun of christianity, but one day they went to some kinda christ youth type thing, and they came back all like "oh gosh we gotta stop sining so we dont go to hell" "i love god" now thats some pretty weird shit, and anything that can turn you from someone who tottally trashes the thing, into a tottally obedient drone, cant be all good...oh man, i almost went to that too, im glad i didnt.

[crackdaddycaine]

they were tottally (and still are) serious, its really depressing to me, its like theyve died

[DonFelipe]

Sadly, you all remind me of the old saying, everyone wishes to voice their opinion, but no one really wants to listen...human nature 101

[civildp1]

christians dont blow up building and hijack planes

no but the kkk(which is a christian organization) burns crosses, kills blacks, jews, gays, muslims, and have been known to blow up a church. there are terrorists in every sect of life. and what about all of the other things people have done in the name of god. I seem to remember a dude named hitler who killed over a million jews in the name of christ?didn't jesus teach us not to hate. don't be a biggot. I am christian but don't like christian music. Take any pop or love song and change the word baby to lord. You've got a christian hit. here's a nugget of thought for you. You know how all the fundamental christian leaders are opposed to artificial inseminaton? jesus is arguably the first case of it. god and mary didn't have intercourse. chew on that.

[SoulsStrife]

all of your ignorance in the way this life is meant to be lived, will be your down fall...one day you'll realize that you've runined your life and you will be facing nothing but emptiness, and loneliness...that is what hell is utter and complete loneliness, with no one to talk to and no one to ever love u. all of u who try bad mouth Christ and what he did for u, your all going to regret it, and why not listen to this, a lawyer who won 280 murder cases in a row was asked if he could disprove Jesus dying on the cross and the stories behind it of him dying for our sins, so he set out to see if he could prove it.......he found no evidence at all that disproved any of what the bible says, and he himself became christian

[ThaMessenjah210]

I challenge every single one of you to research the Christian religion, and the Bible... I challenge you. To me, it is not intelligent to argue, or disagree with something that you have knowledge of.

It's like the story of the three blind men and the elephant. (Paraphrasing) One blind man felt the trunk, and said an elephant was just a long, thick, thing with 2 holes at the end. Another blind man felt the tail, and said the elephant was like a snake. Another blind man felt the middle section of the elephant and said it was like a hippo or a rhino... (This is not 100% correct but you get the point) Now, each blind man is right and wrong, but they do not have the full picture... Do you think those three blind men are fully equipped to give an accurate desciption of that elephant.... Are you fully equipped to evaluate the Christian religion and its followers with just a few experiences with Christians...

I hate to admit this, but guess what, there are people who claim to be Christian, and are not... Guess what, there are also Christians that are not perfect... I know that is a shock to you... But Think about it before you bash it, infact think about that before you bash ANYTHING...

Tommorw, you guys are in for a treat, im goign to try and reply to most of the comments here... Think abotu it overnight...

[Atticus_XI]

i thought this was a guitar website??

[KeviePie04]

christian music is fine i spose, i just don't like it because thats not what i believe, and when I ever hear christian music, I always have the feelin that im trying to be converted. Christianity itself doesn't mean any harm, but the people who really preach it do sometimes, but there are still plenty of good christians, but even those can be radical and try to convert everyone they see. I say just stick to yourself.

[optimuswoodz]

OK, so, here's my two cents: My idea is to do away with the "Christian" label. On the one hand it does help me find new bands that share my faith, but it also turns people off to something potentially amazing. Think about it, if Switchfoot hadn't crossed over to the mainstream, would anyone have touched "Meant To Live" with a 10 foot stick? It would still have that awesome riff, but with that "Christian" label on it it wouldn't have seen the light of day. But, without the label on it, the song was huge, as it should have been. So take the "Christian" label off of Relient K, and a song like "I Am Understood?" could make a splash. They still have songs with a Christian meaning, but so do some mainstream songs. "Bring Me To Life" by Evanescence comes to mind, and they denied any ties to the Christian Music Industry. One of my favorite songs is "Letters to God" by Boxcar Racer (would have been better, but they just had to leave that f-word in there). Anways, my theory is this, when someone sees "Christian" attached to something, it immediately polarizes it. People will either automatically flock to it, or run from it with robotic regularity. I saw at music stores that they keep the Christian/Gospel section, but integrate. Be able to find a Relient K album in both sections. It won't hurt anyone, it may offend some of those people that cringe when they hear the 'C' word, but people are offended by music on a daily basis. And those of you that think that music is just noise, well, what difference to you does it make anyway? These bands have riffs just as heavy as mainstream bands. I understand that not everyone is a Christian. And I understand that many, many Christians can be off-putting, they make us seem pushy, extreme, and even bland. I'll admit, it is tough, I've struggled with it my whole life. But, if you truly, believe that God sent his Son Jesus to die for our sins and that he rose again the third day, I don't see why you wouldn't want to share that. Unfortunately, some (a lot) of Christians don't share, or even give a good example; they force it down your throat. They mean well, but they do leave a bad taste sometimes. But music speaks to people. If you really love music like I do, if you have ever heard a song for the first time, heard a line that clicked with you, maybe even on a level you don't even know, but you know it spoke to you, somehow, then give "Christian" music a chance. Remember, it's all about the lyrics. Rock is not the Devil's music (and Satan is part of Christianity), that is just a nickname for it and carry's no real weight. Please consider these words open mindedly, and God bless.

[Larry Walnut]

Well...I am christian (trying to be more like it), and I agree that all these punks who flak on christianity simply because they heard their mom's praise&worship cd are very misguided. Bands like Project86, who don't claim to be a "christian" band, are needed in this market. They will tell it like it is and not candy coat life with the whole "Ohhh life is so wonderful, let's all go hug each other" type lyrics. They tell it like it is, they get down and dirty about life and, like the song Pipedream, they tell you "choose, decide, and face" they tell you that there is one way, but they don't go the typical "this road is so easy and loving".

For people who have any hate or dislike towards christian music...go buy some Project86. We need more bands who will bring life into perspective.

PROJECT86
...go buy it if you hate christian music.

[punk_pixie1987]

Im with Larry on this one, i feel the same way. Bands whose catch line and purpose is to force Christianity down your throat don't appeal too much to me, as a Christian - or the best form i can be..
Bands like Emery, and thrice, they are christians - yet dont promote it. Its the way to go. Not that being christian is anything to fee ashamed of, its just you need to respect the greater communities opinions.
Relient K - excellent pop/punk christian band
MXPX - great band.. check them out guys..

[fool_rat]

have u guys ever heard of christian rock??? no, so shut the hell up....

[civildp1]

all of your ignorance in the way this life is meant to be lived, will be your down fall...one day you'll realize that you've runined your life and you will be facing nothing but emptiness, and loneliness...that is what hell is utter and complete loneliness, with no one to talk to and no one to ever love u. all of u who try bad mouth Christ and what he did for u, your all going to regret it, and why not listen to this, a lawyer who won 280 murder cases in a row was asked if he could disprove Jesus dying on the cross and the stories behind it of him dying for our sins, so he set out to see if he could prove it.......he found no evidence at all that disproved any of what the bible says, and he himself became christian

what evidence proves what the bible says? in many cases(especially the old testement) the bible is the only written record. And there are many things that make good cases against the "facts" of the new testement.

[civildp1]

christ died on the cross. we are sure of that. thats one of the few things in the bible supported by other accounts and writings.

[civildp1]

here's another piece of mind gum. all of you christian rock supporters are mad becase these people are hating on jesus without doing research.(which I fully agree with) Have you done research on their beliefs before condeming them? get off your pedistal. why should christian rock be in the "christian/gospel" and "mainstream" sections? I can only find sonic youth in one section why should your music get two?

[tremonti0076]

ok all you ***holes who think Jesus and Christianity is crap especially Mr. Melchior, all you are gonna burn in hell if you don't except Jesus. just wanted you to know that

[bhall3000]

It is my desire to make music that Christ can use me to speak to others through...To everyone on this post who has made fun of Christ and our religion...I will be praying for you and no matter how bad you don't won't me to..there is nothing you can do to stop me...God will begin working in your lives, pay close attention.

[metalmassacre]

Melchior:
and this is another reason why christian anything is a bad idea... jesus is a cunt
[POSTED: 12 June 2004 - 08:28]|

$hab:
No, he was just a travelling magician, bringing cheesy laughs to some.
[POSTED: 12 June 2004 - 08:42]|

making fun of other peoples religon, are a jew?
see i was making a point

[Jasomat]

whoever said christians try to push their beliefs on others doesnt know the difference between a MORMON and a CHRISTIAN. go ahead and bash them, but saying that christains are terrorists, and that they push their religions on others just makes you lose your credibility and prove that you dont know what your talking about and are just talking out of your ass.

[Kirosho]

The problem with everyone here is that they place everyone into one category "the KKK were christian extremists" Dont you think that almost every other christian in the world including myself is ashamed that they would call themselves christians. Not every christian is some glasses-wearin preacher. The Drummer in my band at church has hair down to the middle of his back and raises his hands in worship. Just because we believe in God doesnt mean we cant still be energetic and cool. and F.Y.I ive listened to demon hunter and it is some SERIOUSLY heavy stuff, the "anhilate the corrupt" doesnt force religion, its just bein honest as to what the consequeces are. I personally like all kinds of music, and ill admit that there arent that many christian songs that have a certain "zing" that make you want to listen to them. But christian songs do hold a "depth" to christians that i believe that non-believers cant understand.

[Kirosho]

P.S Christians are humans, we make mistakes, so just because someone you know is christian and messed up or cussed or something, doesnt mean that we are some kinda lying hypocrites.

[Ganin713]

tremonti0076:
ok all you ***holes who think Jesus and Christianity is crap especially Mr. Melchior, all you are gonna burn in hell if you don't except Jesus. just wanted you to know that

I'm christian, borderline mormon(I go there, but i'm not baptized or anything; just not right for me right now). I've read some pretty stupid things on this site, mostly from the 'anti-christian' side. This is the single most idiotic comment next to 'jesus was a cunt' It's sad that I can put a christian's comment next to that. I can even counter this with a simple quote from the bible. "Matt 7:1-2--Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgement ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete it shall be measured you again."

As for what Mr. Melchior said, he obviously has never read the bible, because regardless of whether He was the Son of God or not, He can be put among people such as Tao Te Ching, Confucius, and Buddha as one of the greatest philosophical minds of all time. Face it, if more people followed any of these minds, the world would be a better place. (Evangalists are generally ignorant anyway, and encourage people to blindly worship, which is just as bad as those who blindly criticize).

As for Christian rock, it has its place. That is why my humble town has a CHRISTIAN ROCK station, which is where that is played. You don't hear Bach's beautiful Brandenburg Concerto on the same station as Stairway to Heaven, arguably one of the best songs ever written. Neither of which do you hear on the same station as you might hear Herbie Hancock. They're different Genres. So what if the style is the same, lyrics can totally change the feel of a song. I find that they are uplifting, and more pleasing to the ear than other music. That could be because christian music isn't totally focused on glorifying carnal desires, and the abuse of the reproductive process.

"You can believe nothing, or you can believe everything. Either way allows you not to think."

Oh and guys, please take an extra second to check your effing spelling! It's pretty stupid to watch someone misuse the words except, are, and other really simple stuff like that. and nothing spoils an intellectual discussion like a typo. In turn, if I've made any mistakes, don't let me live it down. ever.

[jaxons_cool]

it is not christian music it's christian lyrics. The music can be christian but the music varies from death metal to pop to techno.

[jaxons_cool]

messed that up.
t is not christian music it's christian lyrics. The lyrics can be christian but the music varies from death metal to pop to techno.

[reunn]

:angel: cristian rock music is a growing thing and i am a cristian. God does not hurt or decieve us, he doesnt trick us into doing things for his glory.he doesnt lie to us, he doesnt murder us or hurt us. He doesnt do anything that we find bad. Chrisian rock music does not promote badness it promotes god not doing these things. There are no things in the lyrics of a cristian song that makes us feel bad or lonely about our selves. Christian rock, rep, techno or whatever the music is is not bad!!!!! :angel:

[reunn]

cristian rock music is a growing thing and i am a cristian. God does not hurt or decieve us, he doesnt trick us into doing things for his glory.he doesnt lie to us, he doesnt murder us or hurt us. He doesnt do anything that we find bad. Chrisian rock music does not promote badness it promotes god not doing these things. There are no things in the lyrics of a cristian song that makes us feel bad or lonely about our selves. Christian rock, rep, techno or whatever the music is is not bad!!!!!

cristian rock music is a growing thing and i am a cristian. God does not hurt or decieve us, he doesnt trick us into doing things for his glory.he doesnt lie to us, he doesnt murder us or hurt us. He doesnt do anything that we find bad. Chrisian rock music does not promote badness it promotes god not doing these things. There are no things in the lyrics of a cristian song that makes us feel bad or lonely about our selves. Christian rock, rep, techno or whatever the music is is not bad!!!!!

[reunn]

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[JimmyJackrabbit]

religion in rock?

[<<< Frantic >>>]

Ganin713, may I ask what the difference is between 'jesus is a cunt' and you trying to emotionally blackmail someone by saying how sad it is that you have to put that in a Christian comment. Believe what you all want, and so will I, but both sides are as bad as each other and I can except that fact and I am not religious. It's still a belief system, I believe God does not exist, while Christian's believe God does exist, it's all the same. Should it really matter anyway? If the music's good, bring on Christian music. However, I have seen no evidence of good Christian music in my experience, although I don't mind limited doses of P.O.D., but under the "Genre" line of every P.O.D. review or description it's always something different... "Christian Rap Metal" or "Christian Nu-Metal" or something. They never put Christian rock... this is the age of the hybrid's, when bands just name themselves under a new genre. Go music...

[<<< Frantic >>>]

tremonti0076:
ok all you ***holes who think Jesus and Christianity is crap especially Mr. Melchior, all you are gonna burn in hell if you don't except Jesus. just wanted you to know that

You, you're a ***in idiot and embody the whole reason religion really, really gives me the shits. What makes you different to saying "jesus is a cunt" and you're telling Melchior he's gonna burn in hell? Judge not, lest ye be judged my arse. More christian's need to start practising and stop preaching. If people wanted to be preached at, they'd ask. If I like it, I'll listen to it plain and simple and the same as everyone else on this site. Hahahaha, no sex for you tremonti0076 until you're like 30 and married

[<<< Frantic >>>]

Saptor77:
i'm a christian. i listen to christian music, kutlas, switchfoot, deamon hunter, P.O.D., lost prophets, chevelle. all those guys.. its not that bad.. you guys should really concider becoming christians. its not as bad as you think.. its probley the best decesion you'll ever make in your life..

Why don't you just write "atheists are cunts" to offend my religion

[numetaldude]

i'm a Christian and I'm ashamed of all the people who claim to be Christian but go against every principle in the Bible (George Bush, KKK, etc). When Christians talk to you about God, they're not trying to stuff the religion in your throat. They just wanna help. Coz it's really peaceful to know that there's something after this life that's much better. And even if we're wrong, do you actually have anything to lose? All Christianity asks is for your faith, nothing else. You can go ahead sinning (but if your faith is strong, you'll definitely not want to sin).

Besides, we're not the only people who try to spread our ideals. Politicians, scientists, teachers, and musicians of practically every genre try to spread their ideas. I dare you to name any band that says "I'm neutral on everything and am singing this just for the fun of it".

AS for Christian rock, I guess it's okay. But in some cases, the band sound like it's mocking Christianity. I don't think Christian and metal fit at all.

[Until_it_sleeps]

tremonti0076:
ok all you ***holes who think Jesus and Christianity is crap especially Mr. Melchior, all you are gonna burn in hell if you don't except Jesus. just wanted you to know that

If jesus is so great why does he want to kill us all for not beleiving in him? It's stupid

[RememberMyName]

Is anyone listening? ... Good.

I challenge every single one of you to research the Christian religion, and the Bible... I challenge you. To me, it is not intelligent to argue, or disagree with something that you have knowledge of.

It's like the story of the three blind men and the elephant. (Paraphrasing) One blind man felt the trunk, and said an elephant was just a long, thick, thing with 2 holes at the end. Another blind man felt the tail, and said the elephant was like a snake. Another blind man felt the middle section of the elephant and said it was like a hippo or a rhino... (This is not 100% correct but you get the point) Now, each blind man is right and wrong, but they do not have the full picture... Do you think those three blind men are fully equipped to give an accurate desciption of that elephant.... Are you fully equipped to evaluate the Christian religion and its followers with just a few experiences with Christians...

I hate to admit this, but guess what, there are people who claim to be Christian, and are not... Guess what, there are also Christians that are not perfect... I know that is a shock to you... But Think about it before you bash it, infact think about that before you bash ANYTHING...

Tommorw, you guys are in for a treat, im goign to try and reply to most of the comments here... Think abotu it overnight...

This guy must live...


Quite honestly, I am a practising christian (churchie) and I have friends from many different nationalities. I do not force my religion upon anyone, but I can't stand those who diss my religion. But I am in no position to judge anyone, He will choose punishment.

There is no wrong religion. God is praised in many forms (Buddha, Allah, etc.), and they are all the One God. After all, Jesus was a Jew. It's not how you praise, it is just that you have faith (6satan6rulz6, grow up). Christianity is just one of those forms. Jesus forgave all of those who crucified Him before He died, I don't think that I could do that, but I try.

To me, lyrics mean nothing. Sure, I hear a lyric and I think it's great, but it is the music that counts. That's why I love lead guitar, solos of any kind (except the album you make when your band splits up), and don't listen to nu metal. I love death metal, I'm really getting into it, but that doesn't mean I worship Satan. I think some of the stuff that they say is funny, even if it is blasphemous. I enjoy it, but it doesn't convince me to go against Him, and I hope I never do. Christian Rock isn't all about the words; listen to how they sing it, how they play it, watch them play it. See Zack De La Rocha live? Mad Bastard...

[Anti_Me]

OK i am also a christian and i belive that its not fair that just because a band happens to contain christians, everyone hates the band. I admit that their are not many good bands with cristians in them, but i dont know of any bands that force chritianity on you. If you listen to christian music dont u expect CHRISTIAN CONTENT? also, great article man.

[calvin420]

I'm not christian, don't like christian rock, and I'm definitely not taking advice on religion from someone named "Crackdaddycaine". Sorry but you set yourself up on that one dumbass...

[da_loyde]

if u have a right to preach all ur crap to us then we have a right to shove it back down all ur throats and say christianity sucks

[Ganin713]

>, let me make a correction. I find it depressing that people attemtping to defend both sides are making such idiotic comments. When I read the 'jesus is a cunt' comment, I knew I was going to use it, and I wasn't ashamed. It was the fact that there was a comment from the christian side that was almost as bad that I was a little angry about. If you didn't notice, the cunt comment speaks for itself, but I condemned the christian comment. It was unspecific, sorry.
On another note, tremonti0076 obviously doesn't embody the religion(judge not), just the people in it. Huuuge difference. In fact, nowhere in the bible does it say that all other religions will burn(The jews don't count b/c 1)it was before jesus, and 2)because they were God's chosen). You live the good life, you go to heaven. You live the bad life, you go to hell. It doesn't matter what you believe. I just think that christianity has a large portion of truth to it. I find that Taoism carries some degree of truth. Am I going to burn because of this? no.

Numetal, AMEN!

Lyrics, to me, are just as important as the music itself(if not more)! Lyrics are why I can't listen to the radio anymore! It's really stupid to listen to where society's going, based on the mainstream music right now. I hate to say it, but it's especially true in rap. There's hardly a decent song out there, and it has nothing to do with the quality of the music itself. Evanescence proves that. Their songs aren't all that complex (I can't play stairway, but I certainly can play Going Under) but their lyrics are really cool.

Calvin420, AMEN!

And finally, to everyone. Don't use the ignorance of some of the people in our religion, it's kinda low. Use people like RememberMyName and Numetal who actually have some idea of what they're saying.

Thank you

[Ganin713]

PS The first comment is directed at Frantic.

[1962guild]

it is true that a lot of the poppy christian music is lame. but, what a lot of people do is assume that that is the only type of christian music. 12 stones is awsome pillar tears on any band out there, and POD well there POD. isnt it true that they are doing like every other band and just writing about what they love? if JESUS CHRIST is what they love then let them sing about it. also why do people assume that christian bands are forcing religion on you? is it just becase of the words in their songs? cause if thats the case could christians start claiming that secular music is forcing sin down our throats? for all you people who believe out there keep strong! and for all you who dont believe, well jesus still loves you and wants you to come back into his arms. you are his children and he wants to be with you forever. I know i'll probably get some flac for this but you know what, i answer to the highest power so its all good. Just remember when it comes to christian music, dont judge the book by its cover, but the contents of its heart.

[MrLucky77713]

So, since this article is a biased peice of trash with no real points, just opinions. Seriously people, USE THE COLUMNS FORUM.

[nirvanafan11111]

we each have our own opinions of which we are entitled too but dnt trash things u dnt understand,don't trash things u dnt believe in and grow up.

[RatiugLink]

Just because I'm not a Christian doesn't mean I don't know anything about Christianity. I use to go to church, and quitting church was the most important choice I've ever made. Unlike many of you here, I actually know WHY I hate Christianity.

[RatiugLink]

I love how POD refer to us as "heathens" in one of their songs.

[RatiugLink]

That song is...

"Masterpiece Conspiracy", track 12 on their 2001 release, Satellite.

[corey182__]

really, all u ppl who are dissing Christianity and sayin how the KKK are full of Christians...sorry for this, but, the day the KKK are real Christians, they wont be the KKK no more..and those that say crap like Melchior who said "and this is another reason why christian anything is a bad idea... jesus is a cunt" ur just an ignorant worthless piece of shit. be a little more open minded, im sure u know everything about the Bible and the life of Christ, ur just tryin to look like a bad ass

[corey182__]

im sure u know everything about the Bible and the life of Christ

^^ sarcastic

[Larry Walnut]

Its funny how you think christians are "forcing" christianity on you. Infact, you would probably LIKE for them to do that, that way you can have a justified hate towards christianity. Right now, you say songs like Masterpiece Conspiracy are calling you all "heathens" or whatever...lol...you have got to be kidding me. How about I go through all the other genres in music and look for some lyrics where they call all the women hoes or where they degrade white/black/etc people? Cause I guarantee you that my list would be a heck of alot bigger.

You WANT christianity to be forced on you. Fact is that it isn't being forced on you. If you think singing about the girl next door, rapping about all the women you've slept with, singing about all the pain you're going through, singing about the breakup with your girlfriend, are better sings lyrically...fine, great, more power to ya. BUT some people would rather focus on the good things in life. Not that the bad should be ignored, but it shouldn't be focused on.

People try soooooo hard to pin guilt or whatever on the christians...keep in mind, we are still human.

[gair182]

Well, this post obviously isn't about Christian Rock, it's about the never ending battle between those who believe and those who don't. Here's my piece of mind. I consider myself a Christian because I think that the example set by Jesus is the correct way to live - love your fellow man. I think we'd all get along fine if we didn't keep looking at the mistakes made in the past by fanatics and just accepted everyone else for who they are. As for religion as the root of evil in the world, again I say that fanatics who consider themselves religious zealots use their flawed interpretations as a shield so that when it comes time to point fingers, people don't say "A select group of idiots committed this crime" they say "(insert religion here) was the cause of this crime".

[sensesfail1878]

alright, if u people are so against christians and christian rock, then why the FUCK are u reading this article? ***in rejects

[issidvicious]

they read the article because it's on the FUCKING FORUM. YOU DUMB CUNT. Anyhow, it's impossible to believe that Christianity isn't being forced look at all the missionaries across the globe and let's not forget the slaughter of the "Red Man".

[bardboardbox]

i just want to say that i am a christian and that the reason why most christians want to convert people is that they can get in to a wonderful place called heaven and that for me the thing that saddens me the most is the fact that some of my friends who are non-christians are not going to be in heaven and we'll never see each other again that is the reason why us christians want you to convert.

[enigmajr]

what about bands like dead poetic, underoath, and bands like them. to me they're very hardcore. and guess what they're christians. christians can be good musicians. don't hate them because they believe in something and you're just to afraid of having to answer to all the crap you've done in your life.

[RatiugLink]

corey182__:
"really, all u ppl who are dissing Christianity and sayin how the KKK are full of Christians...sorry for this, but, the day the KKK are real Christians, they wont be the KKK no more..and those that say crap like Melchior who said "and this is another reason why christian anything is a bad idea... jesus is a cunt" ur just an ignorant worthless piece of shit. be a little more open minded, im sure u know everything about the Bible and the life of Christ, ur just tryin to look like a bad ass"

Oh, would you like me to back up my information, and PROVE that the KKK are a Christian group?

"Proclaiming a Message of hope and deliverance for White Christian America !

white pride
world wide

If my people which are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways; Then will I hear from heaven, will forgive their sins, and will heal their land II Chronicles 7:14"

The above is taken from the offical KKK website.

I actually research this shit before I babble about it.

[RatiugLink]

They are anti-non-Christian, white supremists.

[The1963Riffer]

Everyone....."Shut up and play your guitar!" - Frank Zappa

[Nytrus]

I agree totally with The1963Riffer. How many times do people need to be told. who cares if a band is christian or not, that should play a very small part in buying a cd or listening to a group. people should be listening to a group for the music they play not there religious background. same goes for all those christians who are too "righteous" to listen to good music. I am a christian and i just cant beleive how closed minded some christians can be, they give all christians a bad name.
POD has tons of good songs with "moral" lyrics but really, is the first thing you think of when you hear a great song, "man that guitar is hardcore", or "well, the song was good but I dont agree with what the band is saying about life so therefore, the band must be christian and must suck", people that think like this disgust me. thats all i gotta say.

[Nytrus]

Tell me this RatuigLink, why do you hate christianity? what have christians ever done to you? you act like youve been frikin martyred or something? talk about holier than thou.

[mcww1]

this is exactly everyting that I thought..... finnally someone agrees with me

[RatiugLink]

Nytrus:
"Tell me this RatuigLink, why do you hate christianity? what have christians ever done to you? you act like youve been frikin martyred or something? talk about holier than thou."

I sort of exaggerated before. I don't hate Christianity. I just don't like the way people think it's any better than another religion. "Holier than thou" is exactly the three words you can use to sum up Christianity. And actually, I haven't been martyred yet, but I lost quite a few friends simply because I told them I wasn't Christian. I've seen Christianity first hand, because I use to go to church. As I said before, unlike most people who dislike Christianity, I've actually joined and left it.

[Super BisDak]

i play rock music. i love christian/gospel music. christian rock ROCKS!

[RevelationStorm]

civildp1, you are a complete idiot. Obviously, you have no idea what a christian is, because, you condridict yourself. First of all, the KKK is not, by any means, a christian organization. And you obviously, haven't read the story of the "Virgin Mary" either. You are right, Mary never conceived jesus with the help of a male, but God promised her Jesus and that is why she is known as the "Virgin Mary." She didn't need a man. And Hitler, was probably the most anti-christian person that ever walked this earth. So whatever you are saying about him killing people in the name of jesus, is totally ridiculous and makes you sound like an idiot. So, if i were you, i would do some research on the KKK, read the bible (primarily the story of Jesus' birth), and go be a nazi and have a "chew" on their beliefs. You are not a christian (especially since you are opposing one users view that christians aren't terrorists). So again, you are an idiot.

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

well i mean dont get me wrong, there are some BRUTAL stuff in some christian bands... but i hate them. just for the fact of how the lyrics are annoying... if they changed the lyrics outta religion theyd be much much better songs!(if ure catching my drift guys)

[corey182__]

who cares what they say, they may say they are Christians, but i guarentee there asses arent in church on sunday, that don't mean they are saved

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

^^ and revelation storm:
1)mary got wasted one night and got drunk and has a dream of gabriel
2)hitler was pro-christian(muslims and jews are supposedly the christian enemies)
and 3)yes, some of the most religious ppl in htis world ARE in fact terrorists cuz there willing to kill themselves

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

SO HA I WIN!!!

damn communists

[ad_lib_oz]

CHRISTIANITY ROCKKKKS!!...............
.......*cough*

[diablodude2000]

Listen, all you mutha****ers that say christian music sucks balls haven't heard P.O.D., Thousand Foot Crutch, Switchfoot, or Five Iron Frenzy. Christian artists ARE NOT trying to cram it down you're throats. "Christians aren't shoving down you're throats, they're holding a knife to your throat and telling you to swallow", that is bogus. In the first place IT WAS YOURCHOICE TO LISTEN TO IT, so we may be trying to shove it all down your satanic throats, but it's like you are telling the band To shove it down your throat. Besides, most christian bands ARE pretty awesome. And NEVER DISS JESUS, he died on the cross for you.

[RevelationStorm]

Spl!nTeRgu!tAr, do you know how many different religions there are? if so, please write down the number and tell me, because yes, most religious ppl in this world ARE willing to kill themselves. However, christians (well TRUE christians) are not. Christians don't kill themselves ok? Stop trying to act like you know their religion cuz you don't. Oh and um, tell me how burning bibles, killing christians, committing suicide, and being